S3 Series

dawger, assume buffs to be in one of the B 25 varients, if they have low turnout I would think they would utilize the B 24s later when they have more pilots to fly.
Figured the P 40 would be useful as a back up to them, and could if necessary provide some type of cover. As stated above I think they (LW) will concentrate more in the South and South east leaving the northwest open, by the time the buffs hit the target, they will be (hopefully) farther away. There will be fighter cover in the southwest and central part that will, and I repeat will be directed to cover your egress and if needed your ingress. Just opening thoughts.
As far as your scalding debrief, understand I have been married for 37 years, you probably won't even get close

More to follow <S>

Swede-

I will examine the B25 capabilities and post my thoughts.

At the fuel load required for a 300 mile round trip and 500 lb bombs the B25C easily outclimbs the P40F with a bomb to 20K and is only about 40 mph slower in maximum continuous cruise.

The B25's will need to stay low for P40F escort or rather to escort the P40's.

My input
Having flight tested it, I believe the P-40 is not an escort plane in any way. It is either a defensive fighter vs enemy low-alt-striking formations (SBD's, Ju87's, B5N's, Fw190F's), a support role fighter to call in when the furball is getting low or a sneaky special-ops-striker that can defend itself if needed. Even if the buffs did go in at 5k-10k, the P-40 pilots can't do much more than shake their fists at the much faster Axis planes, unless the enemies decide to tangle with the "escorts" instead of boom n zooming the buffs.

<S> sir!
/Robert

P.S. Spitfires (2x250 lbs) and P-38's (2x1000 lbs) can also carry bombs to support in base closure.

my two cents:

so far this series we engaged or attacked in sperate units. N the Axis has had a field day ..
lets not play into their hands this frame..Sicily had about 150 miles of front to cover.. they react to what shows on radar. they cannot be every where at once . lets turn this to our advantage make them come to us in piece meal.for a change

Lets bring everyone to bare into a tight confines of space ..Let them fly a long way to get at us. they will be spread out by then .. heres my thoughts..

lets cut the point of attack down to 30 miles..lets seperate the far west end of Sicily and make them run a gammet of fighters to get at strikes.. buffs b-25's 15K alt hard and fast HIT Ammo depot at 50 (20pts) ..strike group to hit TGT"s of opturity.. dar's are worth (8pts) each or seaplane base.. at same time as the buff strike..may haft to clean up depot if buffs can get it in one pass

fighters one small group with buffs the others 3 groups spread out in ten mile intervals. starting with one group at arty post at 47. another group at 5,7,x and another at F91. Axis will haft to come from east to get at us.. first group to make contact with the enemy will drag to the 5,7,x lowering enemy alt to be jumpped by next group upon the next. but the fence line of defense is the 5,7,x.. this should allow enought time for buffs N strike groups to be able to clear tgt area..head south like we retreating to Pantelleria. if enemy is to far out of position we may noy even have a engagment..N that ok also
once clear and off dar.. everyone then turn east and re base at malta.. then do the exact same thing except now we do it to the Far east of Sicily..

just my two cents worth

I totally agree. What is the fascination of the P40 as a strike plane? We (the NS) strikers don't have it as a plane but we do have the P38. The 475th in P38's with (2) 1000lb bombs would be much better option for escort/strike. They get engaged, they can drop and defend themselves.

Why not send the buffs and 475 in NOE to 40? Last frame the NS went NOE and hit 3,4,35, and 34 and never saw another plane. Then the NS could go NOE to 3 and 35 again and shoot some more ships.

Now with the new map up, I would expect the AX to concentrate on those green fields on Sicily to hurt us next frame. Sending Buffs to the west should be a good diversion.

Just my thoughts.

No fascination with P 40, just thinking if turnout is low in all squads would be a great chance to use it up for those squads who still have to fly and leave the "better" aircraft for frame 4 & 5 when turn out may be higher.
My thoughts are to hit where they least expect it, to not only gain points but to also keep losses to the bare minimum, we can't play their game and engage them on there terms.
Ideally I would love to have both the strikers and the buffs go in NOE then pull up 4 or 5 miles from target (not sure how long it takes for the buffs to green up), then go out the same.

Two questions, mostly do to my lack of technological savvy, how do I take a screen shot of targets, and how do we post not only those but also a the map of the area?

Good thoughts all, hitting the edges will keep them off balance, just need to get time hacks and routes when the map is updated and plans can be finalized.

Thank you all

Swede-

475FG would be happy to use P40's to feint someplace to draw attention away from the inbound NOE B25's. Once the B25's drop we can run to cover the egress. We will carry bombs and use them if we can.

Once I know the bomber strike route I can plan something

That is a good plan, I thought the P40's were all used up



The way I do it (definitely not the best way) is run Warbirds NOT in Full Screen mode. Then just .CMEYE what you want to see with .GRNDLABELS and do a print screen and paste it into Paint. In Warbirds, you are suppose to be able to do a ALT-S and have it save the screen but for the last year or so if I do that the picture sucks. May be my set-up.

Then to post pictures, I use http://photobucket.com/
This is a free picture hosting site. After you upload a picture, you can select the direct link and paste it into you post with the 'Img' prefix.



'['img']'http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq203/MuskieZZ/WarBirds/PhotobucketExample_zpss825g9qu.png'['/img']'

The map I do the same way, just edit the map somehow and save it as a picture.

Dawger and Noflyz are much better at this stuff than I am but my way does work. Some of the guys somehow make very pretty pictures that look nothing like they do in the game. Not sure how they do this.

AE's is a fighter bomber squad. N is listed as such..If you need ground attacking done..we are more that capable..we flew bomber escorts in frame 1..hvy P-40's.to boot..After buffs dropped their ord...we dropped on tgt's as Well to close 217..but we also can fight with the best of them.
N we have P-38's ..

We found the P-40 a descent attack AC..good bombing platform..only problem is it carries only 1 bomb..

I suspect with holiday weekend we will be about 5- 6 strong..