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 Post subject: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:29 pm 
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The series is pretty straight forward.

Bombers go to a small pre-defined target area that is known by all.

Axis have full visibility (radar picture) of allied advance.

Axis know there will be 2 buff groups (separated by 40 miles)

Its designed so there is a "head on clash"

What we control is the route to target, the timings and how we deal with the Axis attack.


Ingress and Egress over the N Sea has some benefits.

- Initially off Axis dar
- Axis have further to fly to get back to a base and rearm. (instead to spiral down to the nearest)
- less likely they can make it to a safe airfield if damaged out at sea and they can be run down with no ack

I will work on a rough routing id like and then let the buff guys to their DTF and timings thing.

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 Post subject: Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:49 pm 
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You can never be too careful with german spies!

.mov hq shows your TWR location as "hq"

or

.mov b1 shows your TWR location as "breifing room"


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:45 pm 
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Salute!

Orders too soon for all to digest and excrete.

Th North Sea route does nothing. LW is way back and can't be a serious thret until well feet dry.

Go straight with some tac turns. So save gas and get there sooner.

If TOT is the mission, then take max loadout to have ten minutes of gas when landing.

REMEMBER!!!!! THE BUFFS and others CAN LAND SHORT OF TAKEOFF FIELD.

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"God in your guts, good men at your back, wings that stay on - and Tally Ho!"


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 Post subject: Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:20 am 
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100lb GP Bomb,320,
250lb GP Bomb,480,
500lb GP Bomb,765,
1000lb GP Bomb,1100
1600lb GP Bomb,1530
2000lb GP Bomb,2100
4000lb GP Bomb,3900
Here are present bomb values used in MA. They the same in S3. Look at your loadout options and choose the loadout that delivers the most points for TOT
for example, b-17 g can carry 24 100 lb bombs x 320 pts = 7680 total points
6 1000 lb bombs at 1100 points =6600 points
100 lb bombs not real good for actually destroying targets because of smaller radius and ya got to get several on a target but for straight TOT points....
At any rate, you can smell what I'm stepping in


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:24 am 
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Whist I am at it, here are some samples of points to destroy objects, 1st number after object name is the point vvalue
88Flack 500 50 10
MG 200 10 10
20mm 200 20 10
40mm 300 30 10
HQGun 500 10 10
Hanger 2500 100 10
Runway 20000 5 10
HQ 2000 10 10
Tower 2000 1000 30
TaxiWay 8000 1 10
HQGun 500 10 10
Unit 100 10 10
BoatEntry 20000 100 10
Carrier 250 1000 5
Boat 700 200 120
Strat 10000 150 10
RadarEm 2000 150 10
ReadyRoom 1250 100 10
Capital 1500 100 10
Asteroid 500 100 10
FacMod 4000 100 10
LivMod 2000 100 10
Dock 1000 100 10
Struct 500 100 10
Cargo 1000 100 10
Weapon 750 1000 5
Planet 500 100 10
Link 100 100 5
ParkedAC 350 1000 5
Arty0 500 10 10
Arty1 700 10 10
Arty2 1000 10 10
FuelDmp 500 10 10
RadarStn 1500 10 10
Warehouse 2000 10 10
AmmoDump 1250 10 10
Hut 600 10 10
House 800 10 10
Rock 500 10 10
Tree 200 10 10
Bridge 1000 100 10
37mm-AT 300 30 10
75mm-AT 400 30 10
Factory 3000 100 10
FactComplex 5000 100 10
FactAvionics


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:48 pm 
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=vslp= wrote:
100lb GP Bomb,320,
250lb GP Bomb,480,
500lb GP Bomb,765,
1000lb GP Bomb,1100
1600lb GP Bomb,1530
2000lb GP Bomb,2100
4000lb GP Bomb,3900
Here are present bomb values used in MA. They the same in S3. Look at your loadout options and choose the loadout that delivers the most points for TOT
for example, b-17 g can carry 24 100 lb bombs x 320 pts = 7680 total points
6 1000 lb bombs at 1100 points =6600 points
100 lb bombs not real good for actually destroying targets because of smaller radius and ya got to get several on a target but for straight TOT points....
At any rate, you can smell what I'm stepping in


That's a good point sleepy and what I was getting at.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:39 pm 
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Question:

1. When do we lift off?
2. What is my target?
3. What bomber do you want us to take?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:31 pm 
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Oh My! Its Sunday and no orders or DTF.

What are we flying, from where, to where????????


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:31 pm 
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Ok I see the Fighter Orders, but where are we based and when do we T/O for Rv?

Most all I see is Buff planning, with no mention of where the Escort groups are to be based. I see the "green"
line from M 108 and M109, but who is where?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:55 pm 
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pappyb wrote:
Ok I see the Fighter Orders, but where are we based and when do we T/O for Rv?

Most all I see is Buff planning, with no mention of where the Escort groups are to be based. I see the "green"
line from M 108 and M109, but who is where?


Pappy, refer to the orders from bollok in the buff thread. I assume thes are it:

bollok wrote:
So this is kinda what id like you guys to make happen

Everybody drops on Berlin TOT
Take 500lbs load so that if any duds.. its not such a loss

on the MAP

PURPLE - BG 1&2 INGRESS

RED - BG2 SPLITS OFF AT THIS POINT TO TARGET BERLIN FROM ALT. ANGLE
GREEN - DIRECT P51 FIGHTER ESCORT WITH BG 1&2
CYAN - P47 SWEEP AND SHORT ESCORT
ORANGE - P47 ESCORT 2ND SORTIE - RECEPTION ESCORT


BLUE - BG 1&2 EGRESS

Image



bollok wrote:
352ND = P47 SWEEP/ESCORT/RECEPTION (CYAN AND ORANGE)
4TH = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN)
23RD = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN)
K o Ni! = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN)

Any other FG not mentioned in P51s please.
Thunderbolts are ok but with the limited range but we only need 1 big squad of them.
We need to get the buffs to target.
If they die on the way home its not as bad as if they never get there to drop.

<S




don't know for sure but think this is it.


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