S3 Series

MOBIP.DTF https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bw1QCbKpwxkwuhms9oa7IsES5SjdYDZb
Bad angle between the east avionics factories and the east bearing factories. East bearing factories have 36 objects (27/36 gives 75%) while the east avionics has 12 objects (9/12 gives 75%).

Bomb Damage Assessment (BDA.DTF) for Frame 4 https://drive.google.com/open?id=12xOsQUUOtBNA0BW2OGsoSJKrPUFC4R7-
AA Objects not included.

Gentleman,

Radar personnel are finally off their butts and sent us a radar mapping that might help in planning a route route through to Berlin. Sleepy's idea of planning the best route to keep us off radar does not look an easy decision. I have included a possible entry that would, providing the radar is correct, keep us off radar for half of the trip. if we split into two flight with a rendezvous in the 4.5 grid we could then continue as a combined group inbound to Berlin targets. That is still a long way to fly and our coverage will have to follow us the whole trip.

Sending a fake flanking move to the north has merit PROVIDING the scouts find it. Who ever would take it on would either be in for a long cold and lonely ride or a quick trip to a stalag. A silent radar screen for a as long as possible may force them to thin out their forces to search. Unless they use the 252 for reconn. missions only. It can cover more ground and allow them more time to redirect there squads.

Nooky, Will we have an air start?

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I have two advice for the bomber pilots for the Berlin missions.

A) I strongly recommend to fly the B-17 Fortress for the Berlin missions. The B-17 is tougher than the B-24 and our bomber crews will need this toughness for such a long mission.

B) Once all bombs have been dropped, I recommend the buffs to egress in a slight climb at ".speed 140". The B-17 has it's FTH at 35000 ft, while the Axis fighetrs FTH is 22000-26000 ft. As such the closer you get to 35000 ft in a B-17, the less speed advantage the Axis fighters will have on you and it will be much harder for them to set up subsequent attacks. Also our Allied fighters significantly outmatch the Axis fighters above 30000 ft, while the Axis are a more potent threat at 25000 ft. Climbing at 140 mph up to 34-35k ft will not make the egress that much slower, but it will definitely increase bomber crew survival rates and allow our escort fighters a great speed advantage on the 'Schmitts and Focke Wulfs. Also their fighters will then be slowly climbing up to the buffs, instead of diving down on them.

(In real life WW2 B-17 instructionals etc, many B-17 pilots were actually adviced to climb high after having dropped their bombs, and were even told that they could escape some enemy fighters by climbing above 32000 ft).


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/Robert

Air start should be set to 20k from the bomber fields in France

MOB stated RADAR range is 30 miles. Kaceyj's map shows a RADAR range of 15 miles.

RADAR range is a radius measurement.

MOB Frame 4, 30 mile RADAR range (radius) map.

well, I think if we all suck our guts in and hold our breaths, we might be able to.... Oh never mind

OhShix, Thank you. I was not thinking well when I did that because you are correct. I knew it was radius but was hurrying to finish. Haste makes mistakes.

Well It looks like my planned approach is not going to be possible without radar spotting us sooner than that I hoped. However, I still think a combined effort will better utilize our bombers strength and fighter coverage. Could our bombers get to 30+K before radar detection. That might surprise them founding us up there waiting for them. Their spotters may not be so undetectable at that altitude.

I want B-17s up there. All bomber flight crews prepare B-17 flight groups. B24s can stand down unless called upon for specialized missions.

I like Juices strategies for effective 262 defence. Fighter commanders assign special pairs in your flights to be ready to run down the 262s. See Juice's post earlier in this post series for more details.

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262's as mentioned, are most vulnerable at take-off and landing. They have to be protected by piston fighters until a reasonable airspeed is achieved. If we have enough fighters, can some be dispatched ahead to deal an early blow to the 262's? This might also tie up LW piston fighters into airfield protection and if not, more 262's could be attacked unopposed apart from AAA.

Once they(262's/Komets) can engage the BG, it will be difficult for the escort to tackle them, better to stop them earlier. They don't have huge ranges either, the Komet even less so, I'm guessing we won't encounter too much until well into nme territory. If the LW deploy piston to perform early intercept, presumably the fast jets/rockets will be less protected, perhaps another argument for an early interdiction against 262/rocket fields.

Subterfuge will be impossible with radar coverage so extensive, I agree the division of the BG in the last frame proved disastrous and therefore leads me to the same conclusion of sticking together. Can we have a better height separation rather than all at 20K? Might it not be better regarding survivability to have one group 2-3 thousand feet above the other? From an LW attackers perspective, all bombers on the same plane make for a much easier target than a 3 dimensional box and in 2 groups.

Has intel got any decent aerial photos of the targets as per the sub pens last week?

Phil (pmhb)

I’ll send out photo recon aircraft and see what kind of intel we can get. A stacked buff group will make slashing attacks difficult for the LW as collision is more likely.

Not to be a downer... but.

We do not have enough bombers to hit all these targets.
Also... bomb runs should be made at the most advantageous angle in relation to target layout ... up to a point.

In the past I was involved in bomber attacks on berlin. It was long.... tedious and almost all gun positions ran out of ammo before arriving at target.

There was a pre planned route with markers to make it easier to catch up and for fighters to stay on track.

I don’t believe enough bombers will survive to effectively hit multiple targets. Perhaps being able to switch between ai bombers will make the difference.