S3 Series

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I'll be taking Frame 2 instead of Sakai.

First things I need to know for "Operation: Yankee Oscar Lima Oscar":

1) Which squads want to fly bombers? Do we rotate around the squads or will the DR/NS/Nomads fly them? Would be good to have at least 10 bomber pilots next frame.

2) Are bombs or torpedoes best for killing destroyers and transport ships?

3) I am thinking either:
(A) A feint escorted strike with 3 full fighter squads protecting only a few bombers so that jabo dar will report bombers/fighters inc to Malta. This is to lure their Spitfires up so we can swarm them while meanwhile having the majority of our bombers hunting ships.
or
(B) Close LAF 221 for 50 points, then hunt ships for the rest of the frame.


Cheers!
/Robert

Horrido!

Couldn't make Frame one party, and advised Jugs of that.

Nomads likely to have 3 folks for Frame 2.

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It is hard to tell if the torps work without having a few days of practice using the no shit settings. Not one day for 3 hours, but two whole 24 hour days!!! 'course, ya gotta have buff dweebs to try it, ot lite pukes with a dath wish.

One idea Juice mentioned was the attack from around the clock. We can do that is we stay below the DAR and then pop at about 25 or 30 miles. We can get above 8K for the 40's, but those big guns are still murder. The thing to remember is those otto acks have to sort and then fire at a target. With many targets ( read we buff pukes), one guy will have many aimed at him and others will go in scot free.

I am against going for the big points at the island until frame 3 or later, once we have classified the ack and the Allied lite oppo. OTOH, those boats are tempting if we can verify our torps and those of our stupid drones.

I was very sad to see the altitude monkey tactics in frame 1. Sheesh. The 109 is great down below 15K, and if the Axis lites can not pick up the Spits diving down from the stratosphere at their limiting mach, then we gotta re-think some stuff. The 88's are really fast unless on a torp run.

later....

Herr Gums sends...

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If there is one thing for sure certain for the remainder of this Series....there ain't no such thing as a "feint". The enemy is going to know the exact color of the plaque on each of our pilot's molars and if it happens to change over the course of any one sortie.

True, not a feint in the sense of poking our head and returning, but rather a full escorted mission to bomb, with the difference being that we only bring a few bombers with us, which will go all the way and drop on target trying to close a GAF. The main objective would be to decimate the Spitfires as we'll have an advantage if they have to split their efforts between escorts and bombers. So "bait" is probably a better word than "feint".

Meanwhile the majority of our buffs would be sneaking in the backdoor NOE, with a single fighter squad as escort, to hunt ships. As long as Donkey dar doesn't report the exact number of bomber pilots in the mix the Allied would be forced to respond. At least I hope donkey dar only reports a "mix of bombers and fighters", or any try of employing tactics would be futile.

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With respect.....

There will be exact types numbers alts directions etc. ANY time spent on ANY deception or attempt at a NOE or any other "sneak" is a non-sequitur.
Any split or other division of forces will be reported exactly in real time with year 2016 drone like accuracy.

So it is highly suggested, to attack in full force, OR screw with the timing to cause reporting to be inaccurate as possible.

As always, no matter what 352nd will KILL THEM ALL per your orders.

(S) sir robert

juice

Robert
After discussion with group commanders LF6 will take the Stuka. Maybe shipping? Or in with the pack?

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Coolon spotted the Allied convoy heading into Malta from the SW and attacked effectively covered by flak. May have survived if the RAF scramble squadrons had not be heading away from Malta in that direction. Generally Luftwaffe bombing was very inaccurate in the first frame. More precision is needed dropping on ports or airfields. AI drones continue to be marginal in their bomb help. If some brave souls use stukas they may be best used to hit the two convoy routes into or out of Malta. They dont have to come as close to Malta and if they stay high they can jump from stuka to stuka using the CA login. Drop and climb back to 500ft. I know I know easier said than done. Key bomber for the Luftwaffe has to be Ju88s coming in high and fast. The spits can only limited passes on them and they are away.

Hard copy on that one. Taking advice into account, this is my thinking:

So if Donkey dar will spoil any attempts of deception (which if true needs to be discussed as there must be room for strategy and some pucker factor in the S3's), let's instead go with the standard "bombers to Berlin" approach then with the DR's in He111 or Ju88's, and the 4th FG + 352nd FG to cover them. The escorts should try to get high above the bombers, as the Spitfires will come in at 35 000 ft. Our 109F's can get to 40 000 ft once droptanks are off (bst1 climb).

I am expecting the enemy might try to sneak wellingtons to the right edge of the map to hunt ships. If they do and we haven't commited to our bomb run yet, then I'd like to put our bombers on hold while the 352nd/4th rush to intercept any escape path and kill every single one of those Wellingtons. Once re-armed we can recommence with the bomber/escort mission. As such the bombers need to take enough fuel to orbit if necessary.

Meanwhile the LF6 would hunt ship convoys in Stukas, with the 23rd as cover. I'd like the 23rd FG Messerschmitts to also be carrying bombs to help sink the ships. Dive bombing practice pre-S3 is adviced. Fuel should not be a problem as you'd be going like 50-60% throttle to keep speed with the Stukas. The 23rd would also be responsible for intercepting any egress path of Wellingtons hitting the western islands. Try to time the strikes when you know the Spitfires are busy at the bomber/escort area.

If the RAF sends a large force against the LF6 and 23rd, I hope the 23rd will buy the Stukas time to escape. If it's only a squad of 10-12 spitfires however, the 23rd and stukas should be able to dogfight them together. The Lf6 are good fighter sticks and I believe it's way better to doghfight in Stukas with the help of 109F's and outnumber a single Spitfire squad, than flying the Ju87's straight and trust that single 7 mm reargunner for defense.

The points this frame will most probably be coming from our ship hunters, while the bomber/escort mission will keep the RAF busy and maybe even cripple their airforce.


A couple of questions

* Do the NS/nomads want to fly stukas for shiphunting, bombers to help close a field or Bf 109F's for escort?

* Are the LF6/23rd ok with the type of mission?

* Are the DR's ok with bombers, and what field can you close? We need to make sure we close at least 1 target. Here's the objective summary:
http://www.squadselectseries.com/events ... ummary.pdf

* All input is welcome


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/Robert

LF6 is good to go with that