Jabo - rules clarification please

MuskieZZ · **Posted:** Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:12 pm

OK, the rules are, on the surface, pretty clear about this.

Quote:

If a pilot is listed as KIA after a frame they cannot fly a 1st Line aircraft next frame they fly but must choose a 2nd line aircraft instead.

The question is what about us Buff drivers. I was in a B25H, hit a mast flying over a ship at 100' and crashed but was instantly transferred to my next available wingman. I do not believe that I will come up in any KIA list, in fact the buffer said dronea crashed (or something similar). I then proceeded to kill some more ships then flew home and landed.

Are we required to fly second line next frame? How do we know who is suppose to? I feel, with the intent of the rule, I must fly a second line aircraft next frame, and will do so but what is the real response?

Also, the IJ are robbed of their KIA of me in the scores. How are we going to compensate?

I am trying to find some balance here between the fighter guys and the buff's. I like the new wingmen and really think it helps with the survivability of the Buff pilots but it is robbing some folks of there hard fought kills. If I am "killed" by a IJ, I will just jump to another plane and they get credit for killing a drone.

Thoughts Jabo?

Beaver · **Posted:** Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:25 am

Good question Musky

Hawk · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:14 am **Posts:** 1047

No, if you death shows up in the buffer, the IJN pilot should get credit for the kill. If you get killed again, then again the IJN pilot should get credit again. At least that is the way I understand it.

MuskieZZ · **Posted:** Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:52 am

Hawk wrote:

No, if you death shows up in the buffer, the IJN pilot should get credit for the kill. If you get killed again, then again the IJN pilot should get credit again. At least that is the way I understand it.

I know this is not true. The buffer did not say I died. I got a wingman message that he died.

Hawk · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:14 am **Posts:** 1047

That is weird then because it showed Gofly died and then was transferred to his wingman. Ok, I am confused now myself..

Coolon · **Posted:** Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:27 pm

could be a matter of how the death occurred... if someone shoots you down it might be different than just overstressing the wing and crashing..?? perhaps?

MuskieZZ · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:29 am

MuskieZZ wrote:

Hawk wrote:

No, if you death shows up in the buffer, the IJN pilot should get credit for the kill. If you get killed again, then again the IJN pilot should get credit again. At least that is the way I understand it.

I know this is not true. The buffer did not say I died. I got a wingman message that he died.

From the S6

Quote:

Sun Sep 20 16:41:04 2015 LAUNCH muskyz B-25H ORD6 C2 F81
Sun Sep 20 17:29:06 2015 LAND muskyz B-25H C2 F79
Sun Sep 20 17:30:30 2015 LAUNCH muskyz B-25H ORD6 C2 F79
Sun Sep 20 17:30:30 2015 LAND muskyz B-25H C2 F79
Sun Sep 20 17:54:31 2015 LAUNCH muskyz B-25H ORD2 C2 F79
Sun Sep 20 17:57:11 2015 LAND muskyz B-25H C2 F79
Sun Sep 20 17:58:17 2015 LAUNCH muskyz B-25H ORD2 C2 F79
Sun Sep 20 18:50:29 2015 DESTROY muskyz B-25H Red Freighter
Sun Sep 20 19:03:52 2015 DESTROY muskyz B-25H Red Vic56
Sun Sep 20 19:03:52 2015 DESTROY muskyz B-25H Red Vic56
Sun Sep 20 19:31:05 2015 LAND muskyz B-25H C2 F82

No kill message and I died on the second sortie.

Hawk · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:14 am **Posts:** 1047

These are Golfy's stats.

Quote:

Sun Sep 20 16:32:03 2015 LAUNCH goflyj B-25D ORD2 C2 F80
Sun Sep 20 16:32:03 2015 KILL goflyj B-25D chiper B-25D
Sun Sep 20 17:22:49 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062BB002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:49 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM001 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062BB002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM001 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062BB002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM001 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062BB002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM001 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062BB002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM001 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062EK005 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062EK002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062BB002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM002 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:22:53 2015 HIT goflyj B-25D F062CM001 500lb GP Bomb
Sun Sep 20 17:29:06 2015 KILL -HOST- AAA goflyj B-25D
Sun Sep 20 17:30:30 2015 PKILL goflyj B-25D C2

So I am really confused..

MuskieZZ · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Very interesting.

Did a little testing.
So, you can NOT eject from a wounded plane or you die. That was how the 3 B24H kills were recorded. You must go down with the plane (unless it explodes in mid air) in order to transfer to another of your wingmen.

Assuming that gofly had available wingmen, If you get PK'd you don't get transferred which makes sense. I believe the transfer occurs when your plan is lost. A PK your plane is still fine.

So we need to remember, no bailing. Also, the events where we have B17's over Germany, most of the kills where PK's so the new wingmen will be less effective.

Another issue I see from the S6, NONE of the B25 losses showed up on the log. I know with just myself, the IJ should have gotten credit for 2 lost B25's (thats a lot of missed points). How do we handle this?

JABO, we really need you to weigh in on this.
Regardless of what other struggles are going on, if we are going to keep using these wingmen we need to figure out how to score them.

jabo · **Joined:** Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:38 am **Posts:** 1470

If the S6 lists you as a death then you fly a 2nd line aircraft only if you were in a first line a\c. It takes it out of the log and we are stuck with how the log scores things.

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