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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:32 pm 
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Just staying, need at least one high formation in each fighter pack. Something to make the high allied, react vs direct. Could just be a fourship ...something that can hold its own if need be, and have enough mass to threaten if they need to drop low.

The last S3 with escorts front, and sides worked well...but we were dot range..not icon.

And honestly, there should be a Fighter CO and Bomber CO coordinating in these...so both sides can maximize abilities.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:30 pm 
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Orders look good to me and good luck!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:36 am 
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23rd CO or acting CO for this frame please PM me for coordination.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:55 am 
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=dobs= wrote:
23rd CO or acting CO for this frame please PM me for coordination.

Dobs


23rd reporting in. Sorry, it appears that a construction worker armed with a earthmoving tool managed to cut me off (literally) from the net for a few days, but back now :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:49 pm 
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Sasquatch wrote:
=dobs= wrote:
23rd CO or acting CO for this frame please PM me for coordination.

Dobs


23rd reporting in. Sorry, it appears that a construction worker armed with a earthmoving tool managed to cut me off (literally) from the net for a few days, but back now :mrgreen:


Dobs and I haven't had a chance to discuss this frame but here are my thoughts.

With the bombers going in at 15K they will be easily seen by high enemy fighters, who can dive at will away from the Zeroes. We definitely need a HIGH remote escort sweeping the way to try to break up high enemy formations. And we will need a close escort to try to prevent the second pass of the enemy fighters. A saving grace is the Kate isn't fast enough to make getting back to the bombers after chasing Allied fighters low and behind nearly impossible. I see no way to prevent catastrophic losses to bombers given the shortage of escort pilots, the poor choice of ingress altitude and the total lack of defensive firepower of the Kate.

Close escort will need to be disciplined and break off any pursuit that exceeds 230 mph 5 K below bomber altitude. Remote escort will need to hike up their skirts and entice the enemy away from the bombers because once the Allies see the bomber formation every Zero will be a cheerleader watching P-40's at 450 mph dive through the formation.

My inclination is to assign the 23rd to Close escort and the 475FG will assume Remote


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:37 pm 
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Dawger,

Please explain this comment.

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the poor choice of ingress altitude


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:28 pm 
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Hawk wrote:
Dawger,

Please explain this comment.

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the poor choice of ingress altitude


You have chosen the altitude at which the enemy fighters perform best, you are high enough that he can still see you from his maximum altitude and you have given him plenty of room to dive out if he gets in trouble. Your escorts cannot catch him in the dive and cannot maneuver with him above 230 mph.

If you were on the deck, high enemy fighters won't be able to see you and you remove his diving escape route, pinning him to the deck if he wants to attack bombers.

The only other choice is to operate at the enemy maximum altitude, giving the advantage to YOUR escorts, who perform better than the enemy up high.

At 15,000 feet the enemy will be able to easily spot you, make diving passes on you and extend away from the escort untouched and rinse and repeat. We will kill only the stupid ones (luckily there are quite a few of those)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:58 pm 
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=dobs= wrote:
23rd CO or acting CO for this frame please PM me for coordination.

Dobs


Downloaded the dtf's and will go on the premise of being close/top cover since I haven't heard back. Will adjust on the fly today if need be :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:36 pm 
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Sasquatch wrote:
=dobs= wrote:
23rd CO or acting CO for this frame please PM me for coordination.

Dobs


Downloaded the dtf's and will go on the premise of being close/top cover since I haven't heard back. Will adjust on the fly today if need be :mrgreen:


23rd is assigned Close Escort as per my previous post in this thread.

I would like your Teamspeak Information so I can bounce over if need be


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:16 pm 
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Mandatory downgrade!!

Only caught this when reading the main forum Frame 1 from Jabo.

GASP!!!

The Pearl map is updated and some stuff for the P-36.

Gums-san sends....


"God in your guts, good men at your back, wings that stay on - and Tally Ho!"


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