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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:46 am 
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~S~ gums - thank you sir!

DR is primarily a heavy bomb group. We aim to bring to battle at least 3 steps of heavies before we begin to embed a fighter step.

Given our numbers this series we are barely making 3 steps (15 pilots last frame). Given discos and deaths we are lucky if 2 steps make it to target.

Hence the request is for dedicated lights to accompany us. If the 23rd is based at F4 then I would request they fly south and accompany us into the target something like:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n8ihr94o5ytgukj/escort_request.png

We would hopefully rendezvous T+12-15 where we will be around 10-12K approx. hauling at 220mph TAS. Once we level out we rapidly pick up speed and max out at about 288mph. TAS.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:48 am 
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Salute!

Good thots, Nofly. Real good.

Is the 23rd here? Tap, tap, tap.

If the CO lets us go at T+4 or so, frame time, then we might be able to "plow the way". Our ToT would about frame time T + 15.

I have yet to hear from any lite outfit, and apparently the DR has not either. This disturbs me.

For DR info, surviving Nomads will attack the port from the north. There's an 88 ack at exteme north of the port and a building. So we plan to hit those first.

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"God in your guts, good men at your back, wings that stay on - and Tally Ho!"


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:20 pm 
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ayup, we here.
I suppose the 23rd could lift 4, fly out southwest appearing on their radar, make like we going to south end of battle ( like last frame) turn straight south, drop off dar, then perhaps form with the Raiders for an approx. TOT of T+20-25.
I would then hope perhaps that the rest of you guys would have made your quick strike at T+12, with the 4th as cover, and dee dee out east with a quickness, dragging bad guys etc out of the zone whilst we come in from south ( and behind em as they perhaps chase you). IF you guys get the dar that first strike then the 2nd strike ingress will be masked sans dar.
Now IF it goes like that, and 2nd strike gets in from south without any opposition, the 23rd can release the DR's for their rtb out east and catch youse guys chasers from behind as they low. Hopefully that places enema lites over near 4 with the 4th east of them, and 23rd lites west of them.....can you spell "pinch"
So, Gums, I'm sure you guys gonna hit the hell out of it....1 pass and get the hell out quickly. 4th, if you guys agree to go in with them, and get into that fight, be sure to drag em east, fighting withdrawel etc, but be sure to get em east.
Timing is everything, im a bit uneasy about a TOT difference to big, giving bad guys time to regroup and deal with us in detail.
gums if you guys are TOT of 12 and DR's are tot of 20 that's a very long 8 min of action before 2nd group gets in...it may or may not be...I certainly would not want it to be any more difference than 5 to 8 min max for this to work.
Of course then, if bad guys don't pick up on yas and ya make a clean getaway, then the 4th would be able to meet the 23rd and dr's over target, cause, if they miss the first strike, they most certainly will meet the 2nd strike.
Only the frog of war smoke machine will rveal how this will break out.....but...its just my idea of a plan that can handle both above scenerio's.
Hopefully strikes/lites can cord this effort and hitting tot on time will be key


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:14 pm 
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Salute!

Nomads can time it to hit the tgt at frame time T + 15 or 16, if that's O.K. with Besea.

Besides, he wanted to have some lites there ahead of us, and that should help. If we see a horde of pee stains headed to F4, we'll takeoff anf hold east.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:15 pm 
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weiser wrote:
Beaver wrote:
We would like to help you out Gummy, but we are too far away to start. However, DAR being down will help us on our mission to 263.

BTW, anyone got an aerial view of 263?

Best I could do is some screen shots:

https://files.secureserver.net/0sl1CaeUNTatwX

https://files.secureserver.net/0sDp8rihds9DWk

https://files.secureserver.net/0s7ZNTSvErW4Ri


Thanks Weiser. :)


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~S~ =vslp= Thanks

=vslp= wrote:
ayup, we here.
I suppose the 23rd could lift 4, fly out southwest appearing on their radar, make like we going to south end of battle ( like last frame) turn straight south, drop off dar, then perhaps form with the Raiders for an approx. TOT of T+20-25.

Thanks. Why bother to enter their radar? Nomads and the others are going that way any case would only attract more attention to them. Instead climb out E and meet DR just S of F200 around T+15

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Timing is everything, im a bit uneasy about a TOT difference to big, giving bad guys time to regroup and deal with us in detail.
gums if you guys are TOT of 12 and DR's are tot of 20 that's a very long 8 min of action before 2nd group gets in...it may or may not be...I certainly would not want it to be any more difference than 5 to 8 min max for this to work.

I agree. I tried a few different options and was able to make it to target T+18 - but at times it has also taken T+24 - Its strange. I test each time by logging in to the S3 then exiting and testing on free flight. Don't manually do much, let it climb out w/ Boost 2, switch to Boost 1 when 2 is done etc. Final top speed varies between 284 and 292 for some reason. And so we have to be aware of possible delays.

I am going to try out a couple of different fuel loads + routes see if I can reliably bring down the time - but just wanted to give a heads up on what looks real now.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:51 pm 
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We go wheels up on take off, we are on dar.....so rather than head east, give em a pump fake...we gonna be on dar anyway.
Set a rally point, and time, barring bad guys jumping us, we can be there


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:55 pm 
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Also I am not sure it is an option but if we can base out of F230 - we could be over the target T+17 tops. Sooner (T+14-15) if we dare to go even lower alt.

Would look something like this: Blue line is for 23'rd come pick us up near 249 around T+5 we should be about 6K.

Picture : https://www.dropbox.com/s/82mkfajgxbgyxdg/drplan2.jpg
DTF : https://www.dropbox.com/s/yrsw5qruyxl0aa8/drplan2.dtf


If we cannot base off 230 then we will follow the previously stated plan and try to get on target as close to T+20 as we can. 23rd any questions on the rendezvous in either case?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:00 pm 
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=vslp= wrote:
We go wheels up on take off, we are on dar.....so rather than head east, give em a pump fake...we gonna be on dar anyway.
Set a rally point, and time, barring bad guys jumping us, we can be there


Ok as originally requested as per:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n8ihr94o5ytgu ... equest.png

Meet us Due S of 200 - Grid 8,3,6 - T+15-17 - 10K. We should be level and travelling approx 280-288mph TAS.

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Just make sure you don't jump the low guys out of 200, that will be 127 VVS :)


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