S3 Series

Are we focused on the March or on the score?



Frame 2 Map.

Strikers - Our largest point shed was from the loss of our fighters and the 88s. We can reduce that (somewhat) by going in at altitude. I will vector our Fighters to sweep the area and have one step imbeded with you guys for close support, but we have to be at altitude.

I am thinking Biggin Hill (F7) Finley (F10) Croydon (F17) and West Halling (F35) as primaries. What are your opines? Remember, there are too many Dar emplacements to 'Blind' the English...and I suspect there is a Canadian on a Burro merrily strolling the hills with a direct line to the Air Ministry. So stealth is out.

What do you all think?

Horrido!

Gotta tellya that the big fields are tuff nuts to crack. Too many things to destroy and not enuf dedicated buff folks that look at tgt maps and practice a planned run.

F35 is possible on one pass if we have our act together. Ditto for F37. F33 harder but maybe a second strike. Not a lotta points ( no fields give us a lotta points, duh?), but they cannot use them rest of series, and maybe only for one takeoff once the suckers are closed.

I actually got more points than they did with two losses - they got 3 pts for each of my planes and I got 4 pts for each boat I sank plus another pt for a hangar at F19. where they got pts was my stoopid wingies. Almost worth going in without the critters.

The radar station at 68 is worth a shot as it will not see us way out over the Channel or North Sea.

The boats at 74 could be players if we can get a fast recce mission. 4 pts each, and they went down with one 500 kg egg last Sunday nite.

Just some thots, but I feel that the big fields are not worth closing considering our likely buff losses and minimal pts.

Lastly, our defense of the tenuous foothold at Dover is a biggie. Good strategic value and also a great magnet for the Allied lites and buff drones.

Jez thots from an old man....

Herr Gums sends....

Gummy-san - you are a wise veteran of our dusty world. Thank you for chiming in.

How were the boats, should we take the opportunity to 'score more'?

We (I) should heed Jabo's replies in the Fr. 1 Summary thread about protecting our 88s.

Horrido!

NO KISSING UP, SAKAI !!!
Heh heh heh.
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The three fields I mentioned are very doable, especially if we post some diagrams and get the buff pilots to look at the damned things.

And they continue our march.

I only mentiond the boats as they not onlyget points but we might close the base and that also helps with out march. 74 is a big one to crack but you never know, it could be worth a shot in a later frame.

Altitude is O.K., but we do not need to be up at 20K due to tgt acquisition problems. I dropped on 19 and the boats from about 15000 feet max. That altitude allows the 88's to dive at 300 mph + for escape, and I think one pilot reported 350 before a problem.

Herr Gums sends....

Wish Darryl would chime in so we could get an idea of numbers.

I would like to take a stuka or 110 and hit targets under radar... but I don't want to cut down on our bomber numbers.


Last frame there were 3+ groups of trucks and 3+ groups of tanks. there will be less targets this frame based on Jabo saying there were problems with too many AI and his map where it only has one 'army' group and 3 tank groups.

In frame 1 we didn't have any other Stalkers show and I haven't been able to get a hold of anyone else.. so if you want a single pilot out after GVs or ships I will do that.... or I will fly with the bombers.


note: Ju88 vs trucks with tiny bombs worked well, but when I climbed up to use the big bombs I had a very difficult time seeing any GVs. also showed on dar then.

I also agree with Gums about the AI wingmen... unless you are trying to close a field and more bombs falling around you is helpful the AI are just points for the enemy. If I'm hitting GVs then I wont even bother with wingmen.

Altitude - Hurricane/spit vs 109 Does the 109 outperform at a certain altitude?

Is there a target altitude the fighters would like the bombers to be at? Targets here get hard to see but we will make it work.

Your stukas sucked in Frame 1. They should be better in Frame 2. I will set them to only attack AAA or structures and ignore everything else around them. If you use them for a couple quick strikes on the close airfields and targets with your mass 109 sweep they should take out a few targets. The larger fields have more structures and more points. In frame 1 even though several fields were closed they were the ones with relatively few structures so did not score the points you should have got. Even a mass attack on London with high Ju88s will score good points if each bomb takes out a warehouse, bridge or industrial target. Needs testing though.

Another thought is having a few sneaky Ju88s over water come in on the shipping lanes and torp or bomb the ships there. Gums did well off 74. This may be a good last hour sortie to do when things are hectic over the front.

If you like the fast Bf110 they would be good against the tanks which are high value targets or shipping for that matter.

Horrido!

I recommend:

- Would like Cool with buffs on first attack, then let that sucker kill critters!

- Use mainly lites at Dover fields so that the sneaky Allies don't vulche our heavy buffs. The lites can always zip back across the Channel to rearm if they have to. Takes buffs more time, but maybe we could take off from Dover fields first go and fly from French fields afterwards. Gott look at timing and such.

- I recommend we use our stoopid critter attacks on that radar at 68. 'tis true there are many DAR's, but that puppy can see us way out east and provide warning. Would be nice to have it outta the way.

- F35 has to go, and go early

- F33 looks like a good first attack and a second to close it

- F37 could be had if we need second attack on F33. There's a RAF field to north of F37 that could be a problem, so we'll likely need more lite support there.

I am gonna look at F74 as a potential "gorilla" raid. It may be easier than the big airfields that have tgts spread out all over. Otherwise, it's a good place to hit boats on the way out if you have ord left.

Intell report later.

Herr Gums sends....

INTELL REPORT from Friday noon:
I flew online and watched buffer for any other eyes on me. So BDA should be good. Will try later to see if it held, but I am now "captured" and may not have another life.

- I cannot find any Allied DAR except that Chain Home station -68 Need another recde from someone
- I have not seen an 88 ack, only 40mm, and one or two of our tgts have only MG or so. SO I flew in at 4.5K and did fine. Doesn't seem right, as Cool was blown up last Sunday over one of our tgts.
- The little firecraskers can take down "houses" like the ones at 74. Need to salvo 3, and have wingies, but they went down
The 500KG eggs take down everything I could find

<S> Coolon

The 109 seems to be a better performer at all altitudes speed wise.
Spit maxes out at about 30K
109 can get to 34K with some work.

I haven't really flown the Hurri much so I'm not sure of it's performance.

If escorts do slashing attacks at the spits/hurris and force them below the bombers, keeping the flight level of the bombers as our hard deck then we should do okay.

A bomber flight level of 20-25k perhaps? Much will depend on weather and vis with clouds.

We saddle up with them and try to turn fight the spit, we will eventually lose that battle.
Push them below the bombers and climb back up above the group should be our escort tactic.

Just my 2cents

Here is a link to a thread Robert posted in regards to performance between the 109 and Spit.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2404

Horrido!

With all respect, Swanee, anything above 15K is worthless if we are to acquire and hit anything. Besides, even the mighty 88 is a pig above 13,000 or 14,000 feet at full grunt power.

It has always seemed to me that we lowly buff pukes have been magnets for the other side lites, regardless of our altitude. So I also have a hard time understanding how we buffs can set the trap and our little friends cannot exploit the trap. Oh well, guess that is why I am a buff puke.

The apparent lack of big ack that I saw today in the arena is a good thing. It is great for the lites that want to come in to finish off a field or strafe a critter.

Let's wait to see DR and Cool make a statement about our frame plan, such as it is.

Herr Gums sends...