Nice job by Allied on Frame 5--Valentine Day Massacre:)

swanee · **Posted:** Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:09 pm

=dobs= wrote:

Sakai,
We had went south to pick up our brave scout, and were heading back North when we had the two groups called on Radar.

We had friendlies over the top of us Wagga and one more that I saw, made a bad assumption we had more with us.

Confusion on my part that one of the groups was the CV group... Maybe in the future we can Label groups....helps others SA. "CV group 180/65, New Group to west 200/115." Just a thought....

Sorry Dobs, That was us above you, I may have missed any transmission for us to help out. Our orders were pretty strict to stay above 35K and go for buffs only, and not get sucked down low. We thought your engagement may be with a forward sweep and the bombers would be behind them. I told my guys to press on and look for the B29s. We were all in J2ms and our main objective was high altitude intercept of the bombers. After we downed a few bombers, a couple of us did end up going low after some ponies, and ended up in the drink.
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=dobs= · **Joined:** Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:08 pm **Posts:** 750

No worries...fog of war and all that:) Was still a fun series....where else would you find ponies capping Carriers?:)

dewolf · **Joined:** Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:15 am **Posts:** 917

=dobs= wrote:

....where else would you find ponies capping Carriers?:)

Possibly a "rare" occurrence, but one can't say it never happened.

dawger · **Joined:** Tue May 13, 2014 9:25 pm **Posts:** 661

My only issue with the series was the CV location far too close to land providing Allied radar coverage of the entire operation. Even after killing four CV's they magically reappear just off the coast while land based radars stay down for the series. Last time I checked it takes longer to build a carrier than a radar station on an island.

In the real world, losses of 30% available fleet carriers would be a disaster and call for pulling them much further away from land.

From my perspective, this series was a tremendous Japanese victory. Operations against fleet carriers were very successful. Allied raids over the important industrial areas were minimal and by Frame 5 the Allies were in a defensive posture, picking on the edges trying to farm points instead of striking the heart of the enemy in Tokyo/Nagoya and keeping very large forces defending carriers too close to shore.

Japanese losses were high but the Japanese were the aggressors in every frame. Although my group got wiped out in two frames, our forward leaning posture in both those frames allowed the rest of the Japanese forces to make hay while the sun shines. It sucks to die fighting overwhelming numbers but its more fun than running away.

Sakai · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:59 pm

dawger wrote:

Japanese losses were high but the Japanese were the aggressors in every frame. Although my group got wiped out in two frames, our forward leaning posture in both those frames allowed the rest of the Japanese forces to make hay while the sun shines.

I agree, Dawger and noted that in the Axis AAR and in this thread:

Sakai wrote:

...While having the 475th in the west for bomber interdiction would have been icing on the cake, their autonomous engagement with the Allies over the CV area (due west of F175 and slightly SW of 145) forced the Allies to remain on station over their CV. Again, reducing the total number of fighters we had to deal with escorting the bombers. Its not a 'Sakai Frame' unless at least one squad is decimated. I hated that it happened, but I believe their death was not in vain.

Jugggo · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:04 am **Posts:** 220

dewolf wrote:

=dobs= wrote:

....where else would you find ponies capping Carriers?:)

Possibly a "rare" occurrence, but one can't say it never happened.

Anything is possible :shock:

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dawger · **Joined:** Tue May 13, 2014 9:25 pm **Posts:** 661

Sakai wrote:

dawger wrote:

Japanese losses were high but the Japanese were the aggressors in every frame. Although my group got wiped out in two frames, our forward leaning posture in both those frames allowed the rest of the Japanese forces to make hay while the sun shines.

I agree, Dawger and noted that in the Axis AAR and in this thread:

Sakai wrote:

...While having the 475th in the west for bomber interdiction would have been icing on the cake, their autonomous engagement with the Allies over the CV area (due west of F175 and slightly SW of 145) forced the Allies to remain on station over their CV. Again, reducing the total number of fighters we had to deal with escorting the bombers. Its not a 'Sakai Frame' unless at least one squad is decimated. I hated that it happened, but I believe their death was not in vain.

I did see your postings and appreciate the recognition of our bold sacrifice for the Emperor.

fepper · **Posted:** Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:26 pm

I hope those P-47 pilots had their Mae West inflated before they started there take-off run! Once you get a B-25 off a carrier why not try almost everything else. (-: <S>

Jugggo · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:04 am **Posts:** 220

Never knew the P38 was in the Navy inventory :mrgreen:

Quite a short takeoff :shock:

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Sakai · **Posted:** Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:00 pm

He'd get better lift if he was pointed in the right direction.

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