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 Post subject: Re: PP Frame 3 Summary
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:05 pm 
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So my question was brought up about by a "AI's unloading and kills being credited comment" from our bombers during the frame.

Since Allied are not being directed to defend by our Frame CO's (think you have figured that out by now) we are seeing a large number of buffs go down to this "feature" vs the Italians.

In an effort to not make people get excited let me reword this to "are the AI buffs with damage being credited as kills upon pilot exit?"

37 buff kills from aircraft with 2 50s....pretty sure they were NOT all "shot down" by the experten flying of the marvelous Macchi pilots.


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 Post subject: Re: PP Frame 3 Summary
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:34 pm 
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I put rounds into more than eight buffs in Frame 3. I received credit for one when the live pilot ditched and teleported to his AI wingman. I received an assist on another piloted buff kill credited to Oledkk. And later on I received a single credit for an AI kill.

To Dobs question, "Are the AI buffs with damage being credited as kills upon pilot exit?", I would say NO. I would cite the lack of mass credits in the buffer to support my nay. That said, however...I have a follow-up question:

IF an AI bomber is attacked and hit PRIOR to a live pilot jumping into the plane, are (do) the 'hit' points erased, remain or modified in any way?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:42 pm 
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Sakai wrote:
..... That said, however...I have a follow-up question:

IF an AI bomber is attacked and hit PRIOR to a live pilot jumping into the plane, are (do) the 'hit' points erased, remain or modified in any way?


I wave done this and the existing damage stayed. I had an AI Oiled by a destroyer. I transferred to it and it was still leaking oil so I had to do another quick switch.

Also,any ammo used is still gone. I never have any bombs left when I switch to a AI.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:48 pm 
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Sakai wrote:
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To Dobs question, "Are the AI buffs with damage being credited as kills upon pilot exit?", I would say NO. I would cite the lack of mass credits in the buffer to support my nay. .....



I wouldn't be so quick on this one Sakai. In frame 1 I strafed a AI Buff that was sitting on the water. I made several passes on it and eventually the icon changed from green to grey. When the pilot exited his plane, I got credit for the kill on the AI (it blew up in front of me).

Right next to that AI was another AI (from the same pilot), I strafed that one and put a lot of rounds into it but the icon stayed green. I did NOT get credit for that one.

Does this icon color change mean anything?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:32 pm 
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=dobs= wrote:
So my question was brought up about by a "AI's unloading and kills being credited comment" from our bombers during the frame.

Since Allied are not being directed to defend by our Frame CO's (think you have figured that out by now) we are seeing a large number of buffs go down to this "feature" vs the Italians.

In an effort to not make people get excited let me reword this to "are the AI buffs with damage being credited as kills upon pilot exit?"

37 buff kills from aircraft with 2 50s....pretty sure they were NOT all "shot down" by the experten flying of the marvelous Macchi pilots.


Heheh Dobs, I didn't get excited...barely had the energy to type. :D

I think the bulk of the bombers were shot down inflight by the marvelous Macchi pilots. We were directed to defend. In this short video, I count 8 bombers going down. And this was early and only a small part of the attacks on bombers. Unfortunately, I decided to eject while looking out my rear view and cut my night short.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:10 pm 
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Gotcha Jlord....We were with buffs first sortie and didn't see that many go down....but that was early. Got stripped off them 2nd sortie and ended up getting mauled down low... must have been post that.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:14 pm 
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Still trying to figure this AI stuff out. Also eed to test the bomber AI in the Sicily terrain online. B25s have usually been very tough to bring down but the last two events have proven otherwise.

Some other things that seem to run true for AI wingman and AI routines loaded on the general;

1. AI that destroy a structure will not register in the log. So when you look at the S6 a field that was closed will look like it has had not all the structures destroyed. AI destroyed the missing structures.
2. AI that shoot you down will not register that as a kill in the log or in the buffer. Similar to AI destroyers that kill you, you just die with no explanation. This is why you have to be careful saying I just blew up. It could have been a golden bb from an AI.


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 Post subject: Re: PP Frame 3 Summary
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:14 pm 

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Another great video jlordj


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:58 am 
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Link to the logs didn't work, let Hammer know. Stand by for S6 results.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:01 pm 
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No worries Jabo....its the spirit of the S3 that I'm more worried about.

Just didn't see a ton of buffs getting killed while we were escort is all. Combine that with the comment of "they are getting awarded when we land" and figured I had to ask:)

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