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Author:  Beaver [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:32 am ]
Post subject:  Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
DR and Nomads - B25D
2 groups - 1st half at F14, 2nd half at F78
Group 1 to hit - 34,71,33,74,F16
Group 2 to hit - 80,67,44,45,46
Send your fighters with group 1

4th FG - F77 - Split into 2 groups and escort the DR, Nomad bombers - aircraft of your choice

23rd - F79 patrol the northern half of our border, be prepared to jump in with escort of the DR groups if they need help - Aircraft of your choice

Haze (100th), VFA211 and American Eagles - F22 - Patrol south central border, tank (M4A1) to tank (M4A3). You may need to help DR Group 2 if they need help - aircraft of your choice

RCAF 127 Wing - F2 Spit VC - Protect Port at F2/3 and shipping routes out of F3 and F1.

Comments and suggestions always appreciated. ;)
Author:  Darryl [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Beaver wrote:
DR and Nomads - B25D
2 groups - 1st half at F14, 2nd half at F78
Group 1 to hit - 34,71,33,74,F16
Group 2 to hit - 80,67,44,45,46

Comments and suggestions always appreciated. ;)


Group 1 Mission Points = 7 (4 outposts @ 1 point each and 1 SAF @ 3 points)
Group 2 Mission Points = 7 (4 outposts @ 1 point each and 1 SAF @ 3 points)
Total: 14 points

I have a concern about Group 1 flying all the way to F74 and F16 area without dedicating much more fighter cover to achieve the 7 points, IF we can get F16 closed. We could pick up those 4 points closer to the front line by hitting a few more outposts. If we could strike outposts and airfields that are closer, then quickly rtb, perhaps, we can have a second or third attempt at more closures. Also, I can't imagine that JABO would award us F16 in frame 2, even if we closed it.

For example:

Sortie #1:
Outposts: 72, 31, 34, 71, 33, 36, 67, 44, 43, 45, 46 (11 points)
GAF: F80 (2 points)
Total: 13 points

Sortie #2:
Outposts: 41 (1 point)
Town: 21 (2 points)
GAF: 20 (2 points)
Total: 5 points

Frame 1 Total: 18 points

AXIS:
The enemy will most likely utilize those airfields (81, 80, 83, 85, 91, 26, 90) all along the front lines for quick insertion of their strike force. Each one grabbing 3-5 points each. They may try to fan out in order to keep us from being able to get to every point of attack.

For example:

Outposts: 53, 23, 47, 64, 48, 49, 15, 30, 69, 54 (10 points)
GAF: 22, 14, 78 (6 points)
Town: 19 (2 points)

Total points: 18 points

Of course, these examples are showing the perfect situation where we don't lose too many bombers and we get each target closed (same for the enemy).

Thanks for letting me give you my comments and suggestions.

Darryl <S>
Author:  Gums [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Salute!

O.K., Nomads will fly with one of the DR groups.

Let us know, Darryl, and we''l be there.

Gums sends...
Author:  Beaver [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Okay Darryl, that was 1 option (I expected Group 1 would close more on the way back)

Option #2
Base all of your AC at 77
Fly Northeast and close that pesky island airbase at F84, then swing south along the border hitting
77,34,36,F80,67,44,45,46,F91 and 62 (if you have enough bombs left.)
then recover at F87 and reload, then go back to the front and hit
27,26 (then North to any you missed say 62, F91) then take more Easterly outposts, but try to close F85 and F81

The 4th would escort you the whole way and every other group except 127 Wing will have fighters along the front to either tie up NME fighters or to cross the front to assist your group if needed.

Probably too many things to hit in 1 frame, but it is a good guideline.

I expect they will try to resist such a tactic. :D
Author:  Gums [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Salute!

Ambitious tgt list, but we gotta try it.

Only DAR is at F84, so that helps a lot on the smaller tgts. but, as usual, those DAR's are tuff.

Remember, we can only take 6 x 500 using the Mitchells, or less bigger eggs.

Gums sends...
Author:  Darryl [ Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Beaver wrote:
Okay Darryl, that was 1 option (I expected Group 1 would close more on the way back)

Option #2
Base all of your AC at 77
Fly Northeast and close that pesky island airbase at F84, then swing south along the border hitting
77,34,36,F80,67,44,45,46,F91 and 62 (if you have enough bombs left.)
then recover at F87 and reload, then go back to the front and hit
27,26 (then North to any you missed say 62, F91) then take more Easterly outposts, but try to close F85 and F81

The 4th would escort you the whole way and every other group except 127 Wing will have fighters along the front to either tie up NME fighters or to cross the front to assist your group if needed.

Probably too many things to hit in 1 frame, but it is a good guideline.

I expect they will try to resist such a tactic. :D


I agree with you, BEAVER. That will be too much for us to hit in one sortie, sir. However, we can hit F84 for 5 points and return to base F77 and then go for the others. Or, we can hit posts F72, F34, F71, F36, F67, F80(airfield), and Arty F55 for 20 points before returning to base for the next sortie. If we have enough bombers/bombs/fuel left after hitting those targets, and they aren't trying to kill us, we could continue further in sortie one to hit F44, F45, and F46 for 9 additional points.

May we recover at F17 and F18, instead? That will get us back in the air faster for the second sortie.

Speaking of the second sortie, depending on how the first one goes, we'll wait to hear what you want us to do, sir.

We're going to need a lot of fighter cover, I'm certain.

<S>
Author:  Darryl [ Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Gums wrote:
Salute!

Ambitious tgt list, but we gotta try it.

Only DAR is at F84, so that helps a lot on the smaller tgts. but, as usual, those DAR's are tuff.

Remember, we can only take 6 x 500 using the Mitchells, or less bigger eggs.

Gums sends...


We'll definitely need the 6 x 500lbs bombs, but we will need to double up on targets. Essentially, we get a third 1K bomb with that loadout.

<S>
Author:  artydd [ Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Frame 1 Preliminary Orders - TWF
Remember the B25D has a great para frag bomb load which dwarfs the 500lbs we can take and allows us to go faster!
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