S3 Series :: View topic - Mossie problems

Swede- wrote:

Thank you both for the quick response, must be on my end cause I cannot take a full right or left redder with this aircraft.

Again thanks for the tips and expertise

Swede-

I use 50% throttle or less until the the tail is off the ground and the rudder is fully effective.

There is generally no need to get to full power in a hurry in any of the fighter types on takeoff.

Even in the heavy taildraggers I flew I never pushed the manifold pressure up to Takeoff before the tail was up and solid.

The one technique we are missing online with these types is split throttles. I would always put a little twist in the throttles so the left engine was developing more power than the right to help with the left swing.

I can tell you a right turn from a stop is hard in real life in a multiengine taildragger and usually never done with both engines, just the left.

Counter rotating props is a boon.

Author:	Swede- [ Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Mossie problems
Gents, it appears that both versions of the Mossie control do not respond correctly or at all in the S3 arena. All other aircraft perform as expected. Any ideas as to why? As we were planning on using them this frame might be a short night if we cannot taxi etc. Swede-

Author:	dawger [ Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
Swede- wrote: Gents, it appears that both versions of the Mossie control do not respond correctly or at all in the S3 arena. All other aircraft perform as expected. Any ideas as to why? As we were planning on using them this frame might be a short night if we cannot taxi etc. Swede- Its torque. Take it easy on the throttle until you get some airspeed and it flies fine.

Author:	Beaver [ Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
Take a SP where the runway runs to your left. In the Mossie, both engines turn the same way so there is alot of torque to the left. To takeoff smoothly, you will need nearly full right rudder till you get off the ground then it flies quite well. If you get a NME plane on your 6, turn left, it performs much better than a right turn.

Author:	Swede- [ Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
Thank you both for the quick response, must be on my end cause I cannot take a full right or left redder with this aircraft. Again thanks for the tips and expertise Swede-

Author:	jabo [ Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
I have had this problem as well in all aircrafts when for some reason my rudder on my stick doesnt work one way or very little. Have to calibrate it outside of WBs and then its fine. I usually figure this out after I crash 3 times.

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Author:	dawger [ Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
Swede- wrote: Thank you both for the quick response, must be on my end cause I cannot take a full right or left redder with this aircraft. Again thanks for the tips and expertise Swede- I use 50% throttle or less until the the tail is off the ground and the rudder is fully effective. There is generally no need to get to full power in a hurry in any of the fighter types on takeoff. Even in the heavy taildraggers I flew I never pushed the manifold pressure up to Takeoff before the tail was up and solid. The one technique we are missing online with these types is split throttles. I would always put a little twist in the throttles so the left engine was developing more power than the right to help with the left swing. I can tell you a right turn from a stop is hard in real life in a multiengine taildragger and usually never done with both engines, just the left. Counter rotating props is a boon.

Author:	Madcat [ Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
dawger wrote: Swede- wrote: Thank you both for the quick response, must be on my end cause I cannot take a full right or left redder with this aircraft. Again thanks for the tips and expertise Swede- I use 50% throttle or less until the the tail is off the ground and the rudder is fully effective. There is generally no need to get to full power in a hurry in any of the fighter types on takeoff. Even in the heavy taildraggers I flew I never pushed the manifold pressure up to Takeoff before the tail was up and solid. The one technique we are missing online with these types is split throttles. I would always put a little twist in the throttles so the left engine was developing more power than the right to help with the left swing. I can tell you a right turn from a stop is hard in real life in a multiengine taildragger and usually never done with both engines, just the left. Counter rotating props is a boon. Don't take this the wrong way... but I would love to mount a go pro camera to your forehead while you're getting things rolling. Quick glances at all the steps while you're going through the motions would go a long way towards showing us what it's really like.

Author:	Gums [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
Salute! More than just the Mossie. Someone whined about the B-25's a month or more ago ( can't find the post/link/forum), and I could not do a fair test until getting home with a decent connect and great PC. Gotta tellya that as with most WB models, we are vastly over doing the p-factor and torque effects for home computers. Good grrief, most of us are NOT flying $3,000 rigs with ultra-highspeed connects and 4 gigs of ram and a set of rudder pedals under the desk and on and on. Oh yeah, how about flying on a laptop when TDY? I take issue with Dobs about an "expert" description of the p-factor and torque. Ditto for Dawg. Have those "experts" try to fly a basic PC with no rudder pedals or force feedback or...... The B-25's I tried after getting back to civilization were not only touchy in pitch/roll once up, but the rudder requirement for takeoff was obscene. I do not advocate making all the "realistic" FM's real easy, but we have to take into account the run-of-the-mill computers many of us are using to fly the sim. My suggestion is to reduce the onset of all the gyro effects/torque/p-factor/etc until we get to 75 or 80% power so that only the last 80% causes problems. The current B-25 models have pronounced left yaw at powers such as 20 or 30%, ans this ain't right. I agree with Dawg about having to "offset" the dual throttles a bit, but we sould not see a big yaw until at higher power settings or rapid throttle movement. Gums whines..... EDITED: Most do not fly real expensive rigs

Author:	Gums [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems - Gums update
Salute! So tried the B-25D and the B-25C on 'doze laptop and my iMac this afternoon. Did online in MA and Offline in the S3 arena we used last few weeks - Absolutely zero yaw due to power in MA and Offline free flight. Sucker was like on a wire with max WEP an all power to idle. Hmmm...... - Trim was "preset" to about "+10" nose up, so I took off with zero manual trim settings Last night on the final frame I saw two things that had changed from when I practiced in early afternoon: 1) Did not need to use the "privatearena s3" drill 2) The trim and yaw and roll sensitivities were not as I had practiced with. Sheesh. I had to try a few times to get up safely. I am flying mostly on a recent iMac and I practice a lot on a middle age ACER laptop 'doze machine. Other than frame rate and graphics, the ACER does well. If we could reload the S3 config we had for final frame, I may be able to capture the problem. Might be the "realistic flight" setting, but who knows? Gums whines....

Author:	Gofly [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Mossie problems
Enough whines Gummie--Gezz --they gave us 3 AIs so the fighters could have more targets--in fact next season they may make that 4 Bomber AIs as not sure they will have in RL(Vir) bomber pilots left!

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