S3 Series :: View topic - BDD Frame 2

100lb GP Bomb,320,
250lb GP Bomb,480,
500lb GP Bomb,765,
1000lb GP Bomb,1100
1600lb GP Bomb,1530
2000lb GP Bomb,2100
4000lb GP Bomb,3900
Here are present bomb values used in MA. They the same in S3. Look at your loadout options and choose the loadout that delivers the most points for TOT
for example, b-17 g can carry 24 100 lb bombs x 320 pts = 7680 total points
6 1000 lb bombs at 1100 points =6600 points
100 lb bombs not real good for actually destroying targets because of smaller radius and ya got to get several on a target but for straight TOT points....
At any rate, you can smell what I'm stepping in

Ok I see the Fighter Orders, but where are we based and when do we T/O for Rv?

Most all I see is Buff planning, with no mention of where the Escort groups are to be based. I see the "green"
line from M 108 and M109, but who is where?

So this is kinda what id like you guys to make happen

Everybody drops on Berlin TOT
Take 500lbs load so that if any duds.. its not such a loss

on the MAP

PURPLE - BG 1&2 INGRESS

RED - BG2 SPLITS OFF AT THIS POINT TO TARGET BERLIN FROM ALT. ANGLE
GREEN - DIRECT P51 FIGHTER ESCORT WITH BG 1&2
CYAN - P47 SWEEP AND SHORT ESCORT
ORANGE - P47 ESCORT 2ND SORTIE - RECEPTION ESCORT

BLUE - BG 1&2 EGRESS

352ND = P47 SWEEP/ESCORT/RECEPTION (CYAN AND ORANGE)
4TH = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN)
23RD = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN)
K o Ni! = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN)

Any other FG not mentioned in P51s please.
Thunderbolts are ok but with the limited range but we only need 1 big squad of them.
We need to get the buffs to target.
If they die on the way home its not as bad as if they never get there to drop.

<S

Author:	bollok [ Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:29 pm ]
Post subject:	BDD Frame 2 - Orders
The series is pretty straight forward. Bombers go to a small pre-defined target area that is known by all. Axis have full visibility (radar picture) of allied advance. Axis know there will be 2 buff groups (separated by 40 miles) Its designed so there is a "head on clash" What we control is the route to target, the timings and how we deal with the Axis attack. Ingress and Egress over the N Sea has some benefits. - Initially off Axis dar - Axis have further to fly to get back to a base and rearm. (instead to spiral down to the nearest) - less likely they can make it to a safe airfield if damaged out at sea and they can be run down with no ack I will work on a rough routing id like and then let the buff guys to their DTF and timings thing. >S

Author:	bollok [ Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
You can never be too careful with german spies! .mov hq shows your TWR location as "hq" or .mov b1 shows your TWR location as "breifing room"

Author:	Gums [ Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
Salute! Orders too soon for all to digest and excrete. Th North Sea route does nothing. LW is way back and can't be a serious thret until well feet dry. Go straight with some tac turns. So save gas and get there sooner. If TOT is the mission, then take max loadout to have ten minutes of gas when landing. REMEMBER!!!!! THE BUFFS and others CAN LAND SHORT OF TAKEOFF FIELD. Gums opines.....

Author:	=vslp= [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
100lb GP Bomb,320, 250lb GP Bomb,480, 500lb GP Bomb,765, 1000lb GP Bomb,1100 1600lb GP Bomb,1530 2000lb GP Bomb,2100 4000lb GP Bomb,3900 Here are present bomb values used in MA. They the same in S3. Look at your loadout options and choose the loadout that delivers the most points for TOT for example, b-17 g can carry 24 100 lb bombs x 320 pts = 7680 total points 6 1000 lb bombs at 1100 points =6600 points 100 lb bombs not real good for actually destroying targets because of smaller radius and ya got to get several on a target but for straight TOT points.... At any rate, you can smell what I'm stepping in

Author:	=vslp= [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
Whist I am at it, here are some samples of points to destroy objects, 1st number after object name is the point vvalue 88Flack 500 50 10 MG 200 10 10 20mm 200 20 10 40mm 300 30 10 HQGun 500 10 10 Hanger 2500 100 10 Runway 20000 5 10 HQ 2000 10 10 Tower 2000 1000 30 TaxiWay 8000 1 10 HQGun 500 10 10 Unit 100 10 10 BoatEntry 20000 100 10 Carrier 250 1000 5 Boat 700 200 120 Strat 10000 150 10 RadarEm 2000 150 10 ReadyRoom 1250 100 10 Capital 1500 100 10 Asteroid 500 100 10 FacMod 4000 100 10 LivMod 2000 100 10 Dock 1000 100 10 Struct 500 100 10 Cargo 1000 100 10 Weapon 750 1000 5 Planet 500 100 10 Link 100 100 5 ParkedAC 350 1000 5 Arty0 500 10 10 Arty1 700 10 10 Arty2 1000 10 10 FuelDmp 500 10 10 RadarStn 1500 10 10 Warehouse 2000 10 10 AmmoDump 1250 10 10 Hut 600 10 10 House 800 10 10 Rock 500 10 10 Tree 200 10 10 Bridge 1000 100 10 37mm-AT 300 30 10 75mm-AT 400 30 10 Factory 3000 100 10 FactComplex 5000 100 10 FactAvionics

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Author:	bollok [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
=vslp= wrote: 100lb GP Bomb,320, 250lb GP Bomb,480, 500lb GP Bomb,765, 1000lb GP Bomb,1100 1600lb GP Bomb,1530 2000lb GP Bomb,2100 4000lb GP Bomb,3900 Here are present bomb values used in MA. They the same in S3. Look at your loadout options and choose the loadout that delivers the most points for TOT for example, b-17 g can carry 24 100 lb bombs x 320 pts = 7680 total points 6 1000 lb bombs at 1100 points =6600 points 100 lb bombs not real good for actually destroying targets because of smaller radius and ya got to get several on a target but for straight TOT points.... At any rate, you can smell what I'm stepping in That's a good point sleepy and what I was getting at.

Author:	Hawk [ Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
Question: 1. When do we lift off? 2. What is my target? 3. What bomber do you want us to take?

Author:	MuskieZZ [ Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
Oh My! Its Sunday and no orders or DTF. What are we flying, from where, to where????????

Author:	pappyb [ Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
Ok I see the Fighter Orders, but where are we based and when do we T/O for Rv? Most all I see is Buff planning, with no mention of where the Escort groups are to be based. I see the "green" line from M 108 and M109, but who is where?

Author:	MuskieZZ [ Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: BDD Frame 2 - Orders
pappyb wrote: Ok I see the Fighter Orders, but where are we based and when do we T/O for Rv? Most all I see is Buff planning, with no mention of where the Escort groups are to be based. I see the "green" line from M 108 and M109, but who is where? Pappy, refer to the orders from bollok in the buff thread. I assume thes are it: bollok wrote: So this is kinda what id like you guys to make happen Everybody drops on Berlin TOT Take 500lbs load so that if any duds.. its not such a loss on the MAP PURPLE - BG 1&2 INGRESS RED - BG2 SPLITS OFF AT THIS POINT TO TARGET BERLIN FROM ALT. ANGLE GREEN - DIRECT P51 FIGHTER ESCORT WITH BG 1&2 CYAN - P47 SWEEP AND SHORT ESCORT ORANGE - P47 ESCORT 2ND SORTIE - RECEPTION ESCORT BLUE - BG 1&2 EGRESS bollok wrote: 352ND = P47 SWEEP/ESCORT/RECEPTION (CYAN AND ORANGE) 4TH = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN) 23RD = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN) K o Ni! = P51 DIRECT ESCORT (GREEN) Any other FG not mentioned in P51s please. Thunderbolts are ok but with the limited range but we only need 1 big squad of them. We need to get the buffs to target. If they die on the way home its not as bad as if they never get there to drop. <S don't know for sure but think this is it.

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