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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:29 am 
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Here is a strait down the throat approach.

12 500lb bombs, 61% fuel, Climb speed 150, boost 1, boost off at T-100


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:34 am 

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My initial comment: why make the dog leg (I realise to avoid radar) but this gives more time to axis to spot the formation(s), 2 sides of a triangle, etc. Why not straight as possible, penetrating at 5.4.6.6., this cuts off a large chunk of flying giving less time for axis to organise and attack. FG's fly less as well helping on fuel consumption.

Just my opinion, I'll bow to superior experience...


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:04 pm 
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I’m not sure that radar map is right... looks like circles extend from town centers rather than the half square radar icons. But at this point it may be too late to change. I do like that the flight path stays away from the grid lines for the most part.

Can the commander this frame make a separate orders post to show final orders and which downloads to get? Sifting thru 6 pages can get confusing.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:00 pm 
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looks like on a line over city 54 is our deepest penetration over the front before breaking radar and is straight into Berlin making the bomb run from south to north then turning and heading straight home


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:01 pm 
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error that LAF 54 and city 57


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:20 pm 
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The dog leg;
Allows BUFFs more time to climb
Allows lagging BUFFs to cut the corners and catch up.
Allows the Buffs to burn of fuel so the can climb higher and faster
Keeps the BUFFs off RED RADAR the longest
Keeps the BUFFs on GOLD RADAR the longest.

I do not think the REDs will penitrate GOLD RADAR. We will see them coming and puts them at risk. BUFFs can be diverted if they do venture forth.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:41 pm 

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[b]Gentleman,

Your input for this mission has been extensive, intelligent, and well researched. It has been both valuable and necessary for prudent yet effective while developing strategies. As requested, now it is time for you to be given you final orders.

TO ALL FIGHTER GROUPS
(Per original orders posted earlier)

ASSIGNMENTS:
352 FG: High Cover 37K
4th FG: Mid Level 3 to 4K above Bomber Group
23rd: You have your choice to join with the bombers or fly fighter cover. If a member chooses bombers then he can be assimilated into bomber group. If they want to fly fighters I would like them to fly inside the bomber formation. 4th, you might need to add one of your elements to fly just above or in the bombers.

INSTRUCTIONS:
All fighter groups will launch from their original bases in England. Climb to the assigned altitudes. Special Note: Their has continued discussions as to the altitudes that bombers can effectively reach. While original altitude assigned has not changed all Fight Groups must be flexible and adjust to the maximum altitudes the bombers can attain. Therefore, commanders make adjustments that are in relationship to the original altitude separations without jeopardizing your advantages.
Fighter groups should rendezvous with the Bomber Group just east of F54/57.
I am placing Juice in command of coordinating the Fighter Group decisions. He will communicate with Nooky and Splt any necessary details that maybe be required during the mission.


TO ALL BOMBER GROUPS
(per original orders)

ASSIGNMENTS:
All bombers will launch from Field 26 (if having all the bombers launch from 26 will hinder developing a solid formation before rendezvous with the fighters you may adjust to using both 27 and 26. I don't want mass of bombers are one field causing discos)
Climber to assigned altitude by F54/57
Rendezvous with the fighter groups and solidify formation integrity as best as possible under flight conditions.

COURSE:
From F54/67 fly a straight line to the 9, 6 cross. Align your bomb run with first targets at 9,6 cross and continue your course clockwise around Berlin to line up for the next series of targets.
Once all ordinance has been deployed retighten formation, egress east to or near the F54/57 at or near 32K.
SPECIAL NOTE:
The flight crews will do there best to have as many planes as possible on the flight line by T-0. However, if those numbers are insufficient to cover all three bases, I advice adjusting course to the 10, 6 cross instead of the 9, 6, line up your first target there and continue counterclockwise around Berlin. Do not plan on saving ordinance for the site at the 9, 6 cross. If you have a couple bombs left by all means drop them at the 9,6 site. It is more important that we destroy 1 or 2 sites than put bombs on all three only to mess up the flowers beds.
I am placing Commanders of the Doolittle Raiders to make this call at the flight line and communicate that in the buffer.

TO ALL PILOTS:
This the best I can give you prior to launching. I will GCI the launch, rendezvous and bomber run. I will join you on egress.
My command job is over once you take off. Once in the air assigned commanders have full control of any adjustments needed for make this mission as effective as possible.
SHAEF as well as all Allied forces are counting on you to give your best to complete this mission and successfully reduce the Axis ability to make war.

For a few hours past noon Central time today I will be unavailable for responses. (traveling home from farm) Once home I will get online. If you have questions before then post them or contact squadron leadership.

Good Luck and God Speed

<S>

Frame 4 Commander
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:05 pm 
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I like the idea of dog leg to help with the form.... it is just too difficult to play catchup in a bomber as you dont have the acceleration or speed difference you do in fighters...

well thought out course.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:06 pm 
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What is the BUFF climb speed, fuel load, and bomb load?

Launching at F26 puts the BUFF group on RED RADAR. They need to fly south for at least 2-3 minutes before turning left to F54

What is target 1 and 2? WEST Bearing Factories and North Avionics Factories?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:23 pm 
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sorry to post this after orders but anyone see that gap in the DAR coverage from 8.5.1 almost to Berlin? can someone check if that is true..and if so should we try to stay in that gap as long as possible? They will know we are there, but anything that makes it more difficult for them to track us is a good thing.


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