S3 Series

When: At T+90
Were: between L73 and L70
What altitude: buffs should be close to 30 (bellow that due to clouds)

My concern is to protect the front line, without leaving the heavies low escorted.

What's the plan for the 352:
1) 1st sortie: do a "fast" fighter sweep from T34 to T43 and help out the 23rd defending our front line. We may find low Me's hitting bridges, or/and JU88's hitting airfields. Engage!

2) 2nd sortie: I want you to act as a decoy of a hight altitude buff attack from the centre to the North.
If you draw enough attention from enemy fighters, please engage: I know you won't be able to reach the buffs in the planned time, but you'll take off pressure from the embedded escort.

If they don't buy it, proceed to the RP (between L73 and L70).

T/O at T+50 and climb towards L55.
Ran a time rack on that, with a P38L with 2 180Gl DT's. What I've found:
You'll reach LW DAR at 11 Minutes (climbing at 165mph from T/O) - You'll be at their DAR 10 minutes before the Buffs pops up.
25k @ 12min (grid 4,4,7,2)
30k @ 16min (grid 4,4,8,8)
35k @ 22min (grid 5,5,4,2)
40k @ 30 min
you'll should take 36 minutes to reach LAF73 with 55gallons of fuel left in your DT's.

My priority is the buff protection, but until we close those 262 bases, we can loose a lot of points in the front line (bridges/airfields), thus I want numbers in the 1st part of the frame in the front line.

If you guys don't like this idea, 23rd will be dedicated front line defence, and you come from England, embedded with the buffs with the 4th.

We currently plan to operate a mixed flight of P-51D and P-38L aircraft. A P-38L with DTs has an endurance of 108 minutes. With a time over target of T+90, a base in England will not work. IF you are good with us not meeting the buffs at their IP, I guarantee that we can find enemy aircraft to "take the pressure off". One "could" call it, remote sweep escort.

From F27 fly due north/W and meet us NE of the 2,7 cross approx at T+35 if we leave at T+0.

If the target is not F69 then i'll have to work out what that looks like.

~S~
-noflyz

GUMS:
The Doolittle's Raiders have tested out ordinance and found that we can do more damage with the 1600lbs bombs. The B24J carries 8 of them. We will need to try to strike that balance of fuel, just right to get the altitude and hit the mark when SE-PUA needs us.

It appears that we'll need 2 bombs on each target at each field. Since most of the targets are grouped closely, there will be some blast radius effect.

Targets:
3 hangars
4 ammos
3 warehouses
1 radarEm
1 radarStn
4 fuel dumps
2 factories
18 bombs total

Note: We can easily close these fields, so long as we have the fighter cover and don't lose too many bombers in the process. We could assign each bomber a single target or have a few hit each field with multiple targets assigned to each group.

SE-PUA:
We may have to adjust the time for RP, but hopefully, it won't be too far off from your initial requested time. Should let you know soon.

Thanks <S>

Same goes for if we go 70/73.

It isn't.

Thanks for the guidance above. However, every buff group with whom we have worked will advise that we can hit any known "X" in the sky and be there exactly when promised if we are going either direct or through a number of waypoints. When we have additional duties which may cause some or complete delay of the promised time, altitude, or location, it is only prudent to inform others who may be effected by that.

SE-PUA:
Must have missed this part about the 352nd acting as a decoy. Really wish we could have them just meet us at an RP and make sure we have the cover, please.

<S>

I went into the arena and did .show and read the ot list for objects required for closure.
here is the list
hanger
boatentry
weaponmod
link
fuel
radarstation
ammod
hut
factball2
warehouse2

Id em with grndlabels and you have a target list for closing a base

Vslp: thanks for the info.

Darryl: Loved to hear that you guys find viable to close both fields. I'm only worried about the parked a/c on the ground, but I' try to adapt on the fly. Also 70/73 gives you guys a better "line" to hit the targets, doesn't it?!

The critical info I'll need from you guys is the time you'll be entering the LW DAR

The 352nd won't be a decoy, per say. Based on Europe, and flying the 38's, they can't turn around LW DAR to meet you up north undetected. Giving them a strait path from their base will increase their operational TOT, and may take some fighter from your way.

Dewolf: "remote sweep escort": I like the sound of that. Again, if you guys don't like what i've plan to you, we cancel you 1st sortie and plan for a embeeded buff escort.

The way I'm seeing this series, our primary targets for the 1st two frames are their 262's bases. Until we deny them the jets they can pond us over and over at our front line, and just from T34 from T43 there are 72 points available for them.

Now, as I remember the last time we flew ETO, they came in waves at our buff stream, head on, picking one at a time. We had the numbers than, but an inferior a/c. Now we can actually hunt them before they have a chance to hit the heavies, and that's what my design is trying to accomplish.

Gums wrote before in this thread: "We're gonna lose enuf buffs to erase our points for the fields". This might be right, but even if we put the 3 dedicated FG's embeeded in the buff stream, they can still pick some appart. So, for the series, we should be behind the score for the 1st 2 frames, but if we deny them the Jets, we might be able to score more points them they from frame 3 on.

Salute

Everone keep something in mind here....if the bombers target only closure related targets ignoring the acks in an effort to close two fields than follow up strikes on these fields will be very difficult. It's always been the case that during the frame it's difficult to communicate what is still remaining up to the follow up squads.