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New Map up, our field 22 (GAF) is right on the border. The Axis field 91 (GAF) is fairly close. We can back it up fairly quickly from F79 (SAF), 89 GAF is also fairly close.

Their F14 (GAF) is right on the border, F80 (GAF) is close to back it up however, we have F78 (GAF) and F77 (LAF) are both closer than F80.

Both sides have some outposts, right on the border, but with the airfield distribution, they seem to have more undefended (i.e. close airfield) than we do.

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my 2 bits.. i believe they will use up their MC-202's this frame and save their 109's for the last frame..

352nd frame 1- 109's .. frame 2-190's frame 3 - 202's
JG-51 frame 1- 202's ..frame 2 -190's frame 3-109's


they know what we have flown..as we do them and whats left in the invtory to use.. since past frame's there same tactic .. the 352nd will be in the south..they push hard to the 79 quad area..while the JG-51 in the north but doesnt push hard the let us come to them staying pretty much in their dar protection . staying reactionary posture.

since they rolled over us last frme they will have a big head the 352nd can be lured down south into a trap... frame 2 they chased the AE's past the quad.staying with alt. advantage the AE's was able to bounce and clear in wing pairs moving the fight west wards we really have the whole 352nd in tow til .we lost bluzoo over Field 88 in that engagment..and they started pulling back in that .. thats clearly way out side their dar coverage way in the rear ,a long way from home and to fare for JG-51 to help out ..

boxing them in starting way to the east and cut off any means of retreat for them..then squzee the circle ..using every squad of figher to close that trap for all different angles.. but the first squad to make contact is only to delay, and entice to keep them buzy.drawing the westwards .waiting til trap is full in place.
the 352nd only wants combat.. their tactic is to use many finger spread out .. they get a group intrested in a fight, then keep pushing in their other groups over the top . at differtent intervals, while they just grind and grind . til they beat you down in alt .. then you get over run..by a mass over the top . use their tactic on them

mean while id circle the buffs in small groups or singles in their B-25's NOE circle all the way around F84 staying well well away frome coast line for it easy to spot dots at alt over the long distance of sea. i this small map . the dots stand out hit tgt's East coast line form North to deep south post arty maybe a Gaf creating havoc way in their rear. and always stay as NOE as possable . stay off their dar will better youre chances.. they will have a hard time tracking little units with their big wing formantion that JG-51 will be chasing you with..


thats my two bits

Looking at the map for Frame IV I feel the following fields are out of play: 79 & 22, with 77 & 78 questionable.
If I was the LW I would try and push us into a corner closing the above fields. The problem is when will they strike?
352nd has been actively moving west early in each frame and I would expect them to cap the middle fields quickly, taking them out of play.

This limits our basing. I'm sorry but I can't get jabo's map to show me steps at fields, so I'll need a little help with that.
This also creates a problem for the bombers as the LW will see us on dar fairly soon.

Question for Darryl: would you be opposed to taking a gamble and spreading out your bombers to hit numerous targets all over the map?
Also, would you be able to provide some fighter assistance for the NOE attackers? Or have your fighters heavy to assist in taking down targets?
Can you have your NOE attackers go to a few scattered RP's and await orders to attack? Can they stay off dar until they hit numerous targets?
Then when it appears the fighters have the LW fighters tied up............strike quickly and get out.

Fighters can we pick a fight, with a numbers advantage? I was thinking of trying to deplete one LW fighter group at a time. When the second LW group moves to the fight we disengage and move west (to fight later at our choosing). I would like to hit their JU88's, but they will probably be coming with escorts again, and the 352nd will be trying to make us react to them. Hopefully with good comms and timing we can pick our fight. Or perhaps cover the egress of most of the bombers.

I don't see how we can strike, defend and escort at the same time. So, we may need to make a choice and write one option off.

Just some thoughts from what's been posted above and my way of thinking. Communication and timing will be critical. I've never tried to manage so large a group of unruley cats, but I think it can be done. If we can make the LW fighters come to us the NOE buffs can do a lot of damage in short order and get out of dodge for later attacks.

Our buffs could also hold, until fighters have defeated one LW group and refueled + re-armed for a delayed escort mission starting sortie 2.

Salute!

Some good thots, Wilz and Robert.

Fact of the matter is the buffs don't need to grab to the stratosphere for decent escort. It's tactics, and the escorts must adapt, innovate, find a way. Even the Forts can be effective at 8K to stay outta the way of the 40mm ack. And we can clerly see the targets from that altitude.

The Mitchells do not have tail guns, and are more vulnerable, plus damage models conpared to the Forts. So we only need a few close escorts to thwart the pesky LW attackers.

I personally like the idea of using small gropes of buffs and hitting all over the place versus the "gorilla".

Secondly, I'll look where the Knights are hitting. They are the biggest threat we face, and I know those guys, and they are very good at what they do in a tactical scenario we are in. Take them off the table early and the rest of the frame becomes better for the Allies.

The jabo attacks by Axis lites is also a factor to deal with. We could do the same thing with P-38's and their big eggs and dfuze settings to make a close, low drop on the outposts and such. The airfields are harder, and prolly should be left for the buffs.

So lemme look at the map and fields the Knioghts are using to "predict" their targets and we can be waiting for them. Also remember, "predidctions are hard, especially about the future".

Gums opines....

Salute!

looking at the Knights and bases and potential tgts.

Figure F85 and F81 and they will likely use Stukas or 190's. They used FW 190's in frame 2 and done O.K. but looks like they used JU-88's for two frames, so that plane seems to be off the table. The Knights have to use Stukas for one frame, and then another frame with the 190's. The 190's scare me the most ,as they can fight their way in and out. Stukas are great for A2G, but they are slow. 190's are another matter.

So for our lite defense.......

- From F85 they will likely strike 48, 79, 63, 22 and 23

- From F81 they will strike 69, 77, 68, and 78.

My guess is they will use F85 and we get intell from looking at the roster file as frame begins.

The NS have to use 190's or Stukas, so they may go for outposts and such way south versus boats.

The buffs don't need more than a flight of 'scorts. But to take out their jabo attacks and the Knights we need to have some folks in position to protect our bases and get rid of them early.

Up to me, I would concentrate on defending for one frame, then go all out last frame to blow up stuff. Take out the initial LW attacks and then we can adapt and go for the gold, huh?

Our defense must be flexible and patient at the beginning and not just take off with hair combed forward and the zippo out. This goes for the lites and the buffs, as well. Buff planners will come up with something, but I don't think it will be a gorilla. LW has gotten the lead by hitting our critters and the outposts with little or no defense by our lites. Our offense with the buffs has been fairly successful regardless of escort, but not as much as LW strikes.

Just my thots.

Gums sends....

Field List:

1,11,77 & 87 are Large - 4 Steps

79 Small - 3 Steps

2,76,78,22,89,14,12,88,18,17 are GAF - 2 Steps

Thanks Beaver, I'll take note of the stepping.

Haven't heard much so I'm posting a map (hopefully it will work) with a proposed plan.
1. LW dar shown in yellow...............as you can see we are limited in our basing and where we can wait.
2. Buff routes shown in green (noe), with green box as rally point. Once we have a radar picture we'll activate one group (northern or southern group). If the come up the middle we'll send in both groups.
3. Fighter groups are shown in red with red box as rally point. Once we have a picture of where the enemy is going we can quickly send fighters in nearly any direction. Both fighter groups can support each other. Also the fighter groups can move to buffs. If they come down the middle we'll join all fighter groups then attack.
Fighter groups need to know what aircraft you are planning on flying.........please post.

Check the map and I'd like some feedback.............would like to post Orders on Friday.




Sortie two would depend on our resources and the enemy. But we would again attempt to support each other, with the buffs trying to take down posts and dar where the LW isn't. Or try to close some of the small fields they took from us.

hey beaver.....the only GAF in that group is 88. All the others are dirt and same size...imhop


and =wilz= figure 4th for a mix of spitVc and P-38. We need to use them up.

Pappyb, we used that combo and found it hard to keep the group together..........so just a warning. But it's a good combination, and the spit5c doesn't have drop tanks.