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If we going for the buffs. Personally I would love the J2M..not the ki-84 and the week guns it possess with no roll rate..I planned on putting out scouts to find buff formation long before they come into our Dar range..With it being able to get to 40k.. should be able to sit on top of them.. besides I thought it was up to squad C.O. to determine what ride they need to accomplish the mission frame C.0.. tasks them to do..

I think Field 80 is a typo for 475FG/127

I think Field 60 based upon the map labeling.

Besea wrote:

Besea,

If you are tired of losing, forget scouting for bombers and stick with the pack. We need to ALL be in one big mass of fighters.

4FG has been practicing in F4U's with drop tanks (I killed some last night in the ACE, prompting a request from them to leave the arena because they were practicing.I was my usual charming self and said I was practicing too and that dying was good practice for them)

352nd is practicing in P-51's. I imagine 23rd will be in the same ride.

I expect an early strike against our radars and then ALL allied fighters will be sweeping/protecting the bombers coming in between T+ 45 (earliest arrival) and as late as T+100 if they take the time to climb to 30,000 feet.

If we are all in one big pile we can destroy the US fighter groups one by one as they try to sweep us.

THE US WILL LIKELY HAVE RADAR ALMOST TO OUR COAST FROM THEIR CV. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO AVOID YOUR SCOUTS OR KILL THEM.

NONE of the Japanese aircraft can outrun ANY of the US aircraft except the J2M up VERY HIGH. Scouts will be chased down and killed by superior numbers.

Stick with the pack. The bombers are coming to Japan. They are unlikely to do significant damage. Let them come to us all flying together. Numbers at the point of contact is ALL that matters.

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I think Field 80 is a typo for 475FG/127

I think Field 60 based upon the map labeling.

dawger wrote:

Besea wrote:

#'s are great for safety yes. but if we don't have scout to detect early airborne formations like buffs then #'s are pointless. its better to have a early detection on the buff formation versus flying blind and not knowing where to look.

Don't worry Dawger.. AE's 8th and 69th will be over the isle and near you as you solely want.. but there will be scouts out finding the buffs long before the reach our dar.. so we actually have time for form the big wing and can mass our #'s... early in frame axis will be all spread out ..chasing the singles low that are hitting our dar ..,but 8th AE's and 69th will be intact to move againt the incoming buffs with escorts..

they will come in High.. and with plenty of escorts after losing his whole squad first frame due to no escorts.. Darryl has thrown a fit.. this wont happen again especially if he is the frame co.

Author:	zinhwk [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:55 am ]
Post subject:	Frame 2 Orders
LF-6- F144 475th/127 RCAF- F80 Knights/AE/8th- F78 Fairly simple. Everyone in Ki-84s. Initial sortie everyone mass near Radar at 145 in case they push north after a 175 hit or if they attempt an early fighter sweep in our territory. If nothing happens we'll fall back and hedge our bets on which way they will go. Knights who cannot fly fighters can up Bettys and loiter near the 10,7x until Allies show a commitment to the bombing run and then attack the CV group. You can fly a recon pair initially to sell an early CV attack and we can use the heading information to predict its location later in the frame. Kami/CV attack Kamis will launch out of F78 no later than T+100 and fly multiple headings to increase the chance of one getting through. Remaining fighters will bomb up and strike first to further confuse the radar picture and help fend off remaining enemy fighter support.

Author:	Besea [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
If we going for the buffs. Personally I would love the J2M..not the ki-84 and the week guns it possess with no roll rate..I planned on putting out scouts to find buff formation long before they come into our Dar range..With it being able to get to 40k.. should be able to sit on top of them.. besides I thought it was up to squad C.O. to determine what ride they need to accomplish the mission frame C.0.. tasks them to do..

Author:	zinhwk [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
I am thinking more about mission flexibility than a single solitary purpose which the J2M is good for. The allies could do any number of things, most of them flying within the ki-84's best performance. If you want to use the J2M's short range to scout be my guest..

Author:	dawger [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
Besea wrote: If we going for the buffs. Personally I would love the J2M..not the ki-84 and the week guns it possess with no roll rate..I planned on putting out scouts to find buff formation long before they come into our Dar range..With it being able to get to 40k.. should be able to sit on top of them.. besides I thought it was up to squad C.O. to determine what ride they need to accomplish the mission frame C.0.. tasks them to do.. Besea, If you are tired of losing, forget scouting for bombers and stick with the pack. We need to ALL be in one big mass of fighters. 4FG has been practicing in F4U's with drop tanks (I killed some last night in the ACE, prompting a request from them to leave the arena because they were practicing.I was my usual charming self and said I was practicing too and that dying was good practice for them) 352nd is practicing in P-51's. I imagine 23rd will be in the same ride. I expect an early strike against our radars and then ALL allied fighters will be sweeping/protecting the bombers coming in between T+ 45 (earliest arrival) and as late as T+100 if they take the time to climb to 30,000 feet. If we are all in one big pile we can destroy the US fighter groups one by one as they try to sweep us. THE US WILL LIKELY HAVE RADAR ALMOST TO OUR COAST FROM THEIR CV. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO AVOID YOUR SCOUTS OR KILL THEM. NONE of the Japanese aircraft can outrun ANY of the US aircraft except the J2M up VERY HIGH. Scouts will be chased down and killed by superior numbers. Stick with the pack. The bombers are coming to Japan. They are unlikely to do significant damage. Let them come to us all flying together. Numbers at the point of contact is ALL that matters. ***************************************************************** I think Field 80 is a typo for 475FG/127 I think Field 60 based upon the map labeling.

Author:	Beaver [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
dawger wrote: I think Field 80 is a typo for 475FG/127 I think Field 60 based upon the map labeling. I just examined the area and F60 is there, no F80. F80 is on the Eastern Coast, not the South.

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Author:	zinhwk [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
F60 yes. Numbers were all jumbled up on the map. Should have zoomed in

Author:	rcflys [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
dawger wrote: Besea wrote: If we going for the buffs. Personally I would love the J2M..not the ki-84 and the week guns it possess with no roll rate..I planned on putting out scouts to find buff formation long before they come into our Dar range..With it being able to get to 40k.. should be able to sit on top of them.. besides I thought it was up to squad C.O. to determine what ride they need to accomplish the mission frame C.0.. tasks them to do.. Besea, If you are tired of losing, forget scouting for bombers and stick with the pack. We need to ALL be in one big mass of fighters. 4FG has been practicing in F4U's with drop tanks (I killed some last night in the ACE, prompting a request from them to leave the arena because they were practicing.I was my usual charming self and said I was practicing too and that dying was good practice for them) 352nd is practicing in P-51's. I imagine 23rd will be in the same ride. I expect an early strike against our radars and then ALL allied fighters will be sweeping/protecting the bombers coming in between T+ 45 (earliest arrival) and as late as T+100 if they take the time to climb to 30,000 feet. If we are all in one big pile we can destroy the US fighter groups one by one as they try to sweep us. THE US WILL LIKELY HAVE RADAR ALMOST TO OUR COAST FROM THEIR CV. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO AVOID YOUR SCOUTS OR KILL THEM. NONE of the Japanese aircraft can outrun ANY of the US aircraft except the J2M up VERY HIGH. Scouts will be chased down and killed by superior numbers. Stick with the pack. The bombers are coming to Japan. They are unlikely to do significant damage. Let them come to us all flying together. Numbers at the point of contact is ALL that matters. ***************************************************************** I think Field 80 is a typo for 475FG/127 I think Field 60 based upon the map labeling. #'s are great for safety yes. but if we don't have scout to detect early airborne formations like buffs then #'s are pointless. its better to have a early detection on the buff formation versus flying blind and not knowing where to look.

Author:	dawger [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
rcflys wrote: dawger wrote: Besea wrote: If we going for the buffs. Personally I would love the J2M..not the ki-84 and the week guns it possess with no roll rate..I planned on putting out scouts to find buff formation long before they come into our Dar range..With it being able to get to 40k.. should be able to sit on top of them.. besides I thought it was up to squad C.O. to determine what ride they need to accomplish the mission frame C.0.. tasks them to do.. Besea, If you are tired of losing, forget scouting for bombers and stick with the pack. We need to ALL be in one big mass of fighters. 4FG has been practicing in F4U's with drop tanks (I killed some last night in the ACE, prompting a request from them to leave the arena because they were practicing.I was my usual charming self and said I was practicing too and that dying was good practice for them) 352nd is practicing in P-51's. I imagine 23rd will be in the same ride. I expect an early strike against our radars and then ALL allied fighters will be sweeping/protecting the bombers coming in between T+ 45 (earliest arrival) and as late as T+100 if they take the time to climb to 30,000 feet. If we are all in one big pile we can destroy the US fighter groups one by one as they try to sweep us. THE US WILL LIKELY HAVE RADAR ALMOST TO OUR COAST FROM THEIR CV. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO AVOID YOUR SCOUTS OR KILL THEM. NONE of the Japanese aircraft can outrun ANY of the US aircraft except the J2M up VERY HIGH. Scouts will be chased down and killed by superior numbers. Stick with the pack. The bombers are coming to Japan. They are unlikely to do significant damage. Let them come to us all flying together. Numbers at the point of contact is ALL that matters. ***************************************************************** I think Field 80 is a typo for 475FG/127 I think Field 60 based upon the map labeling. #'s are great for safety yes. but if we don't have scout to detect early airborne formations like buffs then #'s are pointless. its better to have a early detection on the buff formation versus flying blind and not knowing where to look. It's not about safety. It is about taking advantage of the enemy committing their forces piecemeal and us grinding them in a blender when they do. The enemy HAS to fly into our radar coverage. Any one fighter group on their side outnumbers any two of ours but ALL of us outnumber ALL of them. Learn from the past. Don't repeat the same mistakes over and over expecting different results.

Author:	Besea [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
Don't worry Dawger.. AE's 8th and 69th will be over the isle and near you as you solely want.. but there will be scouts out finding the buffs long before the reach our dar.. so we actually have time for form the big wing and can mass our #'s... early in frame axis will be all spread out ..chasing the singles low that are hitting our dar ..,but 8th AE's and 69th will be intact to move againt the incoming buffs with escorts.. they will come in High.. and with plenty of escorts after losing his whole squad first frame due to no escorts.. Darryl has thrown a fit.. this wont happen again especially if he is the frame co.

Author:	dawger [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Frame 2 Orders
Besea wrote: Don't worry Dawger.. AE's 8th and 69th will be over the isle and near you as you solely want.. but there will be scouts out finding the buffs long before the reach our dar.. so we actually have time for form the big wing and can mass our #'s... early in frame axis will be all spread out ..chasing the singles low that are hitting our dar ..,but 8th AE's and 69th will be intact to move againt the incoming buffs with escorts.. they will come in High.. and with plenty of escorts after losing his whole squad first frame due to no escorts.. Darryl has thrown a fit.. this wont happen again especially if he is the frame co. Zinhawk's orders are to mass at 145 and wait, not chase singles or scout. I am just reiterating his orders because I agree wholeheartedly with massing our strength and punching them squarely in the mouth. The Allies can't really blind us. Airfields have radar and they aren't going to close many of those. I wouldn't worry about the radar strikes. Wait high and the Allies will come to us.

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