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Author: | Jugggo [ Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
Question? Are the new FMs fully implemented in the S3 series? If so under 185 mph I believe with combat flaps that both Kis should be close to turning with P40 and P38. In the OL arena i was able to turn with them and at some moments slightly out turn them. With the 2x12.7s I had guns set at 400 and was able to kill 5 Ais in a turn with them guns, ALL COCKPIT SHOTS. <{S}> |
Author: | zinhwk [ Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
S3, AFMA, OL, all same flight model from my understanding. In case lurkers here don't read the totalsims boards, the first notch of flaps will produce significantly more lift than drag on all models, unless data refutes "combat flap" operation (i.e Spits going full down/up). Popping the flaps in a turn with increase your Angle of Attack range, thereby holding and controlling a tighter turn in the vertical axis of the a/c. You may be able to "pull" tighter than the 38 for a period of time, but be mindful, single engines will have to combat torque at slow speeds. Long term edge, P-38. Extra note to the unknowing, .slip 1, will give you a HUD slip indicator. .slip 0 turns it off. If you have trouble finding the center of your screen it may not be all that helpful. Using track IR I often lose my reference points looking around. |
Author: | Robert [ Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
In my tests I used consistent turns on the deck, so power/weight ratio did play a big role. I found the Ki-61 able to keep a low stall-speed (only 125 mph) in consistent turns which means it has a more narrow turn-radius. As such I do believe you have a point that it can keep on the inside of a P-38G for a limited time as long as there is potential or kinetic energy to sacrifice (alt and speed). Not sure if the Ai's follow exactly the same physics or damage-models as human players. And zinhwk is on point about FM's used in the S3 and flaps. <S> /Robert 4th FG |
Author: | jabo [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
Well good news is the A6M3 is your 2nd Line fighter and scores 3 times the points as the Ki61. Things are a bit confusing right now but I believe only the AFMA is using the updated FMs and DMs. The S3s will do also. Still working on this to make sure its in the S3 arena. Taking out Allied bombers is a huge point fest for the IJ. Basic BDA will not score the Allies a lot of points but if they target parked a/c, ships and tanks they will score more BDA that way. Closing airfields will be a benefit to them as you will not be able to use them for the rest of the series. Being crafty and waiting for the isolated enemy unit may pay off more than trying to contest every attack on less crucial targets. Thanks Robert to this comparison. Its all new to us so practice as much as you can in the AFMA or S3 arena. |
Author: | jabo [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
I am a bit suspicious of the AI bombers as well. In the past the AI heavies all were shotdown fairly easily. But remember since the Allied bomber pilot can jump to any of his 4 ship element the AI bombers will continue on much longer and at some point it will be a real pilot in the seat. So AI bombers and player bombers will have the same bomber tuffness of 1.0. With the ability of bomber pilots to jump between their bomber element there is no need to increase the bomber tuffness to support decent mission success rates. Maybe this is where the Ki61 with the cannons can come into its own taking down bombers in fast slashing attacks. |
Author: | Robert [ Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
UPDATE The P-38 and Ki-61 have been fixed in the new update. I have updated the diagrams in my first post to include the new testdata. The sum is: The P-38G should see a small decrease in performance, while the Ki-61-Ic should see a small increase in performance, making it not as useless as before. P-38G I discovered a weight error as the weight-report from ww2 tests, which the new P-38F&G were built on, apparently featured a P-38G with only 2 mg .50 cals and missing a lot of ammo. As such the Warbirds new P-38F & P-38G were modeled to weight in at 1126 lb to light. This has now been corrected which means the P-38G has an overall decreased performance due to the extra weight added. Ki-61-I Dawger and dobs discovered anomalies with this FM. As such it has been tuned. Lift-co was increased, induced drag was decreased and flaps now work as they should. This means the Ki-61 will: Turn: ~2 sec/lap faster Climb: ~200 ft/min better Speed: ~3 mph faster P.S. -jabo-, I can happily test the FM's for coming series as soon as they are released. This to make it easier for you to plan side-balance and points worth. Atm I'm just waiting for the Hurricane new FM to be finished. Cheers! /Robert |
Author: | drdart [ Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
Robert thanks for your work and the time you spent here on the flight models. I really appreciate it. Please see that omega and any other of the 4th that are having issues get the orders. Thanks |
Author: | =dobs= [ Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BHP Airplane Comparison |
And this info from Robert and Zinhawk appeared to be heeded... Think the biggest thing was Frame 1: you guys got fed piecemeal into the Allied Big Wing...Later Frames We got fed piecemeal into the Axis Big Wing:) Numbers are hard to beat at point of contact. Ki-44 was a nice addition to the frame and took away our "Sir Robin" option... <S>! |
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