S3 Series

Guys,

To expect any of us Buff guys to last more than 15 seconds against any of the fighters is just not going to happen. Usually, when I do look behind me (which isn't very often) when I see a dot, its like "whats that behi.........BOOM".

Dave

Could not have said it clearer--Thanks!
This crap is why the S3 has less and less Buff flyers---just look at how few buff squads we have now as compared to the past.
Maybe we should have that S3 series where we all switch rides --IE: Fighters & Buffs!

Please say what you want...I have thick skin..
However if you note on Tue the 14th "six" minutes after you posted I posted initial thoughts:

SEAD group-
RCAF..NS...and AE/100th.
A6M with bombs...would like maybe 1 from ns and RCAF to take a d3a1. Primary target is 2x88 on west side of f11 Ewa...secondary is 40mm on ne side and 2x40mm at f9.
Make them think Ewa is the target..

I would like a d3a1 or two with you and its ai to aid in the deception. If any US fighter sees ONE val then that will draw the US to you.

Strike group-
The buffs and 4th and 352.
Following you by about 3-5 minutes... At alt of maybe 10-12 k. Once we approach battleship row the buffs will launch ai at about 30 sec intervals. Buffs pick out ships and attack...egress is to west over land north of Ewa. Beware of limited ack if sead group doesn't get it knocked out..

As a reminder... The buffs dont have to tuck in tight on Ingres if we are jumped inbound. I EXPECT you to turn fight. Once the p40 slows down its vulnerable. Same for egress..you are to turn fight to the west if engaged and the fighters will come to you.

Ok...comments...."

You never replied to anything else that was posted in the planning thread

From that point on the NS/RCAF/AE/100th was identified as the SEAD group and were mentioned multiple times throughout the thread after that...the NS/RCAF seemed to know what to do on Sunday night....why didn't your group? Leadership failure? Would you prefer me to create a 5 paragraph order for you next time?




From the planning thread:
"In no way shape or form do I want the Vals if spotted to tuck in and let otto work."

"ALL BUFFS will turn fight if attacked...do NOT trust your gunner. Get the US fighters turning that is their weakness... Beware if any P36s show up...not sure if they will as we closed F12 BUT they CAN turn with Zeke....ALMOST ..so be aware you will have to pull harder if one gets behind you. You probably wont get away from him so will need a wing man to shoot him off your six."

If you watch this video from zinhawk.....the first 60 seconds show the effect of staying straight and level when attacked. I beg to differ but the Val CAN turn with a P40....by not turning you sealed your death warrant.






<S> gofly <S>
Buffs are always bait in one form or another..it depends on which side of the S3 you are on.

My point was the moment you had cons in on the Vals the vals should have been turning and twisting. If you had done that the P40s have two choices:
1..blow the shot and zoom past/extend
2. turn with you while losing E

The result of either 1 or 2 happening is the Zeros are now on the P40s.....

However that didn't' happen so you and the p40s continued in the same direction/speed making it harder for the escorts to intercept/block the P40s.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I called it like I saw it... I said from MONDAY that the Vals were to turn when jumped...no matter what. That didn't happen... I'm sorry you guys were getting shot up but I had planned on you turning as well.