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Author:  =dobs= [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  BBD-Frame 1 Vids
JG475th--Dobs Perspective
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQWCUxDSPSE[/youtube]

JG475th Dazed Perspective
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pet0ipcmSjc[/youtube]

Second Sortie: Jumped by low 51s Dazed Perspective as he comes in to clear Clover Flight
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuSoTMAWCg0[/youtube]

Dobs
Author:  Hawk [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
I am sure you all enjoyed last nights massacre. The buff toughness is way to low and the B17G's were to easy to bring down.
Author:  =dobs= [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
And so it begins:) PKs x 2....pilots need more body armour I reckon....

Oh and while I'm on the topic of bitching.... cut the whining on 100 in S3s...save it for the main.

Dobs
Author:  zinhwk [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
I'm only going to be a part of this once.

If your escorts did their job the buffs would not have been hit as hard. You guys have the numbers and a good portion still made it to Berlin. Deep raids especially unescorted were bloodbaths. Being a game and the longevity of players here, they've practiced a thing or two for quite awhile. An advantage pilots then didn't have. From what I saw in the buffer just as many of our folk were dying too.

I forgot to turn 100 off last night and I was reminded why I leave it off. I usually don't respond but I don't take kindly to insults and misguided complaints to me or my squad. If there is a problem lets discuss in the CO thread. But just so everyone knows our perspective:

The S3 is about survival and denying the enemy a chance to complete their mission or pose a threat to squadmates and the overall team. As long as an enemy is flying they are a threat. We do not know your fuel state, ammo count or any other "unfair" disadvantage. All we know is there is a plane in our territory, it has weapons in it and pilot is in control. II./JG 77 will not allow an enemy to come back to fight in the S3s no matter how small their chances of accomplishing that are.

Next time don't fly on the deck over Holland with pissed off Messerschmitts in the sky.
Author:  Hawk [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
=dobs= wrote:
And so it begins:) PKs x 2....pilots need more body armour I reckon....

Oh and while I'm on the topic of bitching.... cut the whining on 100 in S3s...save it for the main.

Dobs


Who was whining on 100? That should never happen and I agree, save it for the main.
Author:  Hawk [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
I agree with the escorts and will have to review my ACMCAM to see where they were. Our Knight fighters did the best they could and you all did a GREAT job picking us off. Still, the buff toughness was way to low in my opinion.

Zinhwk and Dobs. Geeze you guys have thin skin. I wasn't saying saying anything bad about what you guys did, but that the buff toughness was set to low so chill out a bit. If you read what I said, you guys did a great job. Man, some people need to take some meds before commenting.

Your tactics were spot on and found our weakness! Take it for what it's worth and I don't need a lecture about what a the S3's are all about. I know what they are about and subscribe to it. Still, we have for years picked out areas that still need to be worked on to make it even better than before.

Your handy work:

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Author:  timos [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
there was a hardcore group of escorts that stayed with the buffs all the way out and prevented about (9) 190s from making 2 more passes each...could have been alot worse for the buffs. The AIs did seem softer then normal buffs, but we got better quality HO in first sortie then past scenarios had in a whole series. .. imo ...<S> s to the BG pilots and those pesky mustangs that hang tough all the way in and out, that was quite a feat.
Author:  MuskieZZ [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
lol, this thread has been hijacked!

Couple things I find odd.
#1 - why is channel 100 enabled? I thought that was disabled 2 years ago in the S3. I never tune to it so didn't know. Stopped tuning into it after I was CO and gave all my commands on the open channel (yea, not so good)

#2 - Hawk was commenting on Buff Tough, not anything bad the AX did. We have done a lot of ETO events over the years and I do not believe we EVER had (since 2009 anyway) a otto of 1 and a Buff Tuff of 1. That is because the modeling isn't perfect and we don't have real experienced gunners. we are trying to simulate it. With otto set so low, a 190 can saddle up on the 6 of a B17 and have at us at will. When we have had turned up Buff Tuff and Otto, Berlin runs were still a 60% buff kill. With these low settings you should have shot down every one of us but didn't really engage buff group #2.

This was my quote before the frame:
MuskieZZ wrote:
noflyz wrote:
...... Will be happy to lead and PD can be secondary just in case of disconnects etc. .......



lol,


Sorry, I had to chuckle when I read this. I have flown at least 3 series in ETO doing this (15 frames) since 2009 (POS was my first series). We have always had a high otto and buff tuff and whenever we went deep to Berlin we suffered 45%~65% casualties. Here is a link to the last Berlin Run http://www.errthum.com/troy/warbirds/s6/framedetails.php?series=ADDR&frame=2
The Leads and stragglers are always the 1st hit.

I have no idea why Jabo wants us to go this deep with default otto and buff-tuff.

I expect that we will need a 3rd or 4th before we are done :?


p.s. We will go with 70% fuel. My 1st frame in POS our whole squad ran out of fuel on the return flight about 15 miles short. I really don't want to do that again.




I would like to propose a slight "change". use arena settings that were used in ADDR. We will still probably suffer 60% losses but not 100% like it should have been last night.


One question for the AX, since the S6 isn't processed, was any AX shot down by otto? Did not see any in the buffer.
Author:  dawger [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
The bomber damage model looked pretty good to me on the 475FG films I watched.

Dobs demonstrated his great technique and excellent gunnery raking stem to stern on his two kills.

Dazed hit hard into the aft end in a snapshot but without hitting hard on the front end he didn't get the immediate kill.

I had a belly side snap shot on a B17 landing good hits but never got the kill.

The B-17's aren't going down to one pass unless it is a really good pass. I don't know how much that needs to messed with (although there is a DM revision coming out very soon ( I hope) that makes changes that will affect it one or another )
Author:  -dazed [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: BBD-Frame 1 Vids
I'd like to know who saddled up behind a bomber in last night's frame! :lol:
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